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And what about Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in first corner? No time penalties. And Vettel against Ricciardo? Also no time penalty.
Yes, corrupt, as in helping the 'big' boys ....
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Yes, corrupt, as in helping the 'big' boys ....
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Also a penalty for Vettel.
And comment from Rosberg:
Rosberg said the duel with Verstappen had been a "bit on the limit" but good racing. (Reuters)
And comment from Rosberg:
Rosberg said the duel with Verstappen had been a "bit on the limit" but good racing. (Reuters)
I agree those other moments deserved a penalty aswell, but that does not mean Verstappen vs Vettel was not a justified penalty. He had room to get back to the track but would have lost the place, instead he decided to cut the corner and gain an advantage.
I havent watched the news but did Vettel get a penalty for swearing or for the breaking incident?
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I havent watched the news but did Vettel get a penalty for swearing or for the breaking incident?
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I havent watched the news but did Vettel get a penalty for swearing or for the breaking incident?
For the incident with Ricciardo. You now, the one who caught up with Vettel after Verstupid refused to give back the place like Red Bull instructed him to.
The stewards determined that he changed direction while braking, something they forbid last week in an attempt, in principle, to clarify what is and what is not allowed when defending a position (zig-zag, on the other hand, was never allowed, unless you are the young rising Montoya-wannabe).
For the incident with Ricciardo. You now, the one who caught up with Vettel after Verstupid refused to give back the place like Red Bull instructed him to.
The stewards determined that he changed direction while braking, something they forbid last week in an attempt, in principle, to clarify what is and what is not allowed when defending a position (zig-zag, on the other hand, was never allowed, unless you are the young rising Montoya-wannabe).
That ridiculous and childish behavior of Vettel is under investigation. Not F1 champion worthy that frustrated guy.
And funny is that Vettel, 1 of the whining drivers who should focus on driving and not bashing the new guy, is the first one punished for the dumb breaking rule, not Verstappen.
Only 19 years old and already winning races. Idiots who join the childish Verstappen bashing.
EDIT: a pity, 'FIA president pardons Sebastian Vettel over expletive-laden radio outburst'
http://www.grandprixtimes.com/news/id/13190
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And funny is that Vettel, 1 of the whining drivers who should focus on driving and not bashing the new guy, is the first one punished for the dumb breaking rule, not Verstappen.
Only 19 years old and already winning races. Idiots who join the childish Verstappen bashing.
EDIT: a pity, 'FIA president pardons Sebastian Vettel over expletive-laden radio outburst'
http://www.grandprixtimes.com/news/id/13190
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Charles... you are clearly watching from a chauvinistic point of view...
Yes he is a great rider, but also, if you are honest, he acts like a rich spoiled kid on the track, not letting anybody tell him what is best.
Yes he is a great rider, but also, if you are honest, he acts like a rich spoiled kid on the track, not letting anybody tell him what is best.
He is racing and trying to win. And he has control over his car like not many others. Making rules against better drivers who defend their position is like telling great talented football players not to dribble others who can't deal with that talent.
And not giving back the position at Vettel wasn't that smart ... or maybe very smart because his team mate became third ;)
And not giving back the position at Vettel wasn't that smart ... or maybe very smart because his team mate became third ;)
es he is a great rider, but also, if you are honest, he acts like a rich spoiled kid on the track, not letting anybody tell him what is best.
At some point, you can kind of understand him. He's inexperienced and aggressive, not always in the good way, but not everyone can be Räikkönen at that age. A natural progression to competence, though, would require less erratic stewards. After all, Kvyat going that direction is what got him his Red Bull seat in the first place. Otherwise, he will find himself farther from the front line at some point in his career, suddenly getting punished every other race without understanding why.
Unfortunately, F1 has long settled for a "political" approach to rules, a strategy that backfires more often than not, in pursuit of "a better show", rather than a better sport. More of a Hollywood-ready tale, that an underestimated audience can easily digest. Verstupid, with his "1st race victory" is perceived as high entertainment value amidst an otherwise very boring Mercedes dominance (dominance is not uncommon, but fighting exclusively your teammate doesn't happen that often). Right now they try to avoid giving the impression that key results are "decided in desks", which is why they didn't sanction Hamilton in lap 1, given the current situation in the championship. Not only this erratic behavior is unfair, it sometimes goes out of control, like in the last laps in México: they didn't stop Verstappen despite being the obvious thing to do, because the podium was at stake and maybe Vettel would overtake anyway, opting for ¨"after the race" decision. But it was so blatant that "after the race" turned out to be "2 seconds after the race", instead of a sanction for the next race, effectively defeating the original purpose of avoiding "desk results". Adding insult to injury, they further altered the result with Vettel's sanction. Hence, in order to make it look like a track-only battle (because, you know, showtime), they ended up with the embarrassing situation of taking Verstupid from the hospitality first, and then having Vettel in the podium after finishing... 5th, because things continued to get settled in the office.
And this goes as far back as Schumacher being world champion and receiving the worse sanction in history for more or less the same action, just because the outcome was different. Vettel gets sanctions today that he did not get in his heydays, and I'm sure he wouldn't get if Ferrari could still compete with Mercedes at this point of the season. We can only hope for the new ownership to change this path, but I highly doubt it.
At some point, you can kind of understand him. He's inexperienced and aggressive, not always in the good way, but not everyone can be Räikkönen at that age. A natural progression to competence, though, would require less erratic stewards. After all, Kvyat going that direction is what got him his Red Bull seat in the first place. Otherwise, he will find himself farther from the front line at some point in his career, suddenly getting punished every other race without understanding why.
Unfortunately, F1 has long settled for a "political" approach to rules, a strategy that backfires more often than not, in pursuit of "a better show", rather than a better sport. More of a Hollywood-ready tale, that an underestimated audience can easily digest. Verstupid, with his "1st race victory" is perceived as high entertainment value amidst an otherwise very boring Mercedes dominance (dominance is not uncommon, but fighting exclusively your teammate doesn't happen that often). Right now they try to avoid giving the impression that key results are "decided in desks", which is why they didn't sanction Hamilton in lap 1, given the current situation in the championship. Not only this erratic behavior is unfair, it sometimes goes out of control, like in the last laps in México: they didn't stop Verstappen despite being the obvious thing to do, because the podium was at stake and maybe Vettel would overtake anyway, opting for ¨"after the race" decision. But it was so blatant that "after the race" turned out to be "2 seconds after the race", instead of a sanction for the next race, effectively defeating the original purpose of avoiding "desk results". Adding insult to injury, they further altered the result with Vettel's sanction. Hence, in order to make it look like a track-only battle (because, you know, showtime), they ended up with the embarrassing situation of taking Verstupid from the hospitality first, and then having Vettel in the podium after finishing... 5th, because things continued to get settled in the office.
And this goes as far back as Schumacher being world champion and receiving the worse sanction in history for more or less the same action, just because the outcome was different. Vettel gets sanctions today that he did not get in his heydays, and I'm sure he wouldn't get if Ferrari could still compete with Mercedes at this point of the season. We can only hope for the new ownership to change this path, but I highly doubt it.
I forgot your childish behavior, but once a troll ....
Also on block, another troll in my list. Long live SkUnk!
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Nice pic :)
The best corner is missing because, unfortunately, it's not in F1.
Also uphill along Avenue d'Ostende (Circuit de Monaco), is missing in this pic.
The best corner is missing because, unfortunately, it's not in F1.
Also uphill along Avenue d'Ostende (Circuit de Monaco), is missing in this pic.
Verstappen 12 overtakings in 16 laps and from 16th to 3rd place, unbelievable how much control he has over his car.
XD
I guess Kimi wouldn't mind if that was to happen :p
Between Hamilton sticking to 44 and now Rosberg retiring, it's going to be a long while without a number 1 in the grid.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ecclestone & co. push for a second strong driver, counting on at least another season of Mercedes supremacy, so there's some form uncertainty and "show" (I don't think a within-team fight is all that interesting, but F1 has been focusing on 2nd, 3rd, or 20th best for a while). And I wouldn't be surprised if Mercedes goes for a rookie with a clear "number 2" mandate for the same reason, plus the fear of having another team a little closer next year, which would penalize "fratricidal" crashes harder.
I guess Kimi wouldn't mind if that was to happen :p
Between Hamilton sticking to 44 and now Rosberg retiring, it's going to be a long while without a number 1 in the grid.
I wouldn't be surprised if Ecclestone & co. push for a second strong driver, counting on at least another season of Mercedes supremacy, so there's some form uncertainty and "show" (I don't think a within-team fight is all that interesting, but F1 has been focusing on 2nd, 3rd, or 20th best for a while). And I wouldn't be surprised if Mercedes goes for a rookie with a clear "number 2" mandate for the same reason, plus the fear of having another team a little closer next year, which would penalize "fratricidal" crashes harder.