Onderwerp: Brexit

Johnson resigns, Farage resigns.

Someone's afraid to do the hard work.

"We need to punish their past sin, but with an eye to their future redemption."

the high sparrow? ...no, eu "officials"!

another one demonstration of the religious (and ignorant-riding) approach to economy.

Agree on that, economy is more like a dogma than a "hard" science (like physics or mathematics).

Difficult to believe the fed telling there's nearly full employment in the US (not far from 5% unemployment), but 1 from 5 US-citizen lives from food stamps... :-S

I think they allready did the hard work. The hardest was probably to make the brexit referendum happen and also to let the pro-/con-brexit debate stay fair.

From what I understand, Farage never wanted to be prime minister. He only wanted the english people to be represented fairly through a party (UKIP, which still continues existing).
I would have been a bit disappointed, if he would have run for prime minister post. Doesn't suit his tirades in the EU-parlament!
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they're simply chickening out. Oh yes, getting the vote is one thing, but actually doing something and not get punished for it politically, that Farage and co do not risk.

What do you mean by "not get punished for it politically"?

next elections.
How do you think those pro-brexit parties will receive votes if they cannot fulfil promises they made (e.g. that NHL 350M)? Can you imagine what it will be if the actual exit from EU has some more downsides?

I agree with you.
On the other side, they refused to try to win elections and get "power".
Another interesting thing is that Cameron did the same, made the referendum and then resign on its result! Why aren't you blaming he harder?


Anyway, who cares about politicians that resign? We had citizens here that had taken a decision. When you have not the need of a politician is always better. :P

Well, it's not uncommon for politicians to resign after they lost a voting :) Often political party leaders step down if their party didnt do well in elections etc. In case of Cameron, he felt he was leading a country that does not agree with one of his major points of view. I don't think resigning in such case is unexpected.
But resigning after winning one ... :p

Cameron resignation is obvious: you call for a "remain" vote, then "leave" wins - how on Earth are you going to lead the exit process, when you advocated against it? It is only natural to let the enthusiasts of Brexit lead the Brexit. That's independent of what you may think of Cameron as a prime minister all things considered.

Farage seems to be some weird strategic thing, since he ran a minority party and could not realistically become prime minister. I think he'w just trying to avoid giving support to a tory government headed by the pro-brexit side of tories. He can always let the pro-brexit tories crash and burn and try present himself again as an opposition voice in the next elections. It's always easier to be opposition than government.

The brexiter tories, however, have really very little choice, and here's where Johnson seems to be chickening: they are the ruling party, and within the ruling party, they are (supposedly) the faction that won the referendum. So, their party has the votes and they have the "mandate" from the referendum, so they'll have to assume power. But they seem to show very little confidence on what will come out of this...

you call for a "remain" vote, then "leave" wins - how on Earth are you going to lead the exit process, when you advocated against it?

well.. so.. why did he wanted to make a referendum? his idea..


It is only natural to let the enthusiasts of Brexit lead the Brexit. That's independent of what you may think of Cameron as a prime minister all things considered.

I think there will be elections to choose who is going to lead the negotiation for UK.

I don't want to discuss about Farage (or Le Pen or alternative fuer deutschland, or lega nord or Norbert Hofer, from FPÖ or Viktor orban etc etc..) because they lead the campaign that should be lead by left parties in europe. But left parties sold their electors 20 years ago in order to survive the end of cold war, and we have ended with some right extremists that are going to lead europe outside EU incubus (and probably inside a new one).
I want to underline the betrayal of the left. That's the real political point. EU unification project is ALWAYS been opposed by left parties, at the fall of berlin wall, we saw they "changed their mind". There they sold us all.

Cameron promised to make brexit referendum during the last election campaign. He would never have been elected without that promise.
You can call it an own goal, if you wish! (comes pretty close to it!) :o)

Left or Right has no more meaning in politics. Right extrem is just an insult (or an anathema) for those politician, who propose an alternate choice to the people.
Pretty much all pro-EU politician are liberal, none is social in the original meaning (social means favorising work over capital). EU is made for big international companies, who bypass the taxes pretty easily (see lux leaks, also while Jean-Claude Juncker was prime minister of Luxembourg...).
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Left or Right has no more meaning in politics

I disagree (apart from the propaganda use that is made of those categories).

Pretty much all pro-EU politician are liberal, none is social in the original meaning (social means favorising work over capital).

this is maybe true, but voters should understand/remember who is doing something for them.

voters have no power of decision, because the important decision are taking by non-elected people (the eu-commissioner). So it's not important, whom the eu-citizen elect in the parlament.

well.. so.. why did he wanted to make a referendum? his idea..

Create instability to let Pounds go down and attract more investments since London need to be expanded.
IMHO

good picture you posted :)

The 'left elite' knows nothing ... the populists are known for the intelligent and honest politicians.