Onderwerp: [NT] USA NT - Discussion

I didn't say you created the multiple accounts, but I'm pretty sure it was one of you two. Sometimes people really like someone else... and then they get surprised. Either way, at least in the first season... you got a lot of fraudulent votes. You may not have voted for yourself, right... but let's be clear that there's been fraud since season 64.

We all have the right to find it strange that you two had strange votes, entered the same season, and in the same season in which 30 accounts were banned... the number of elections dropped substantially, and neither of you two are even candidates. In any case, I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just presenting the numbers, and everyone can draw their own conclusions. People like you because your results were good. But the election numbers are a different story.

These are your accusations. Since season 65 I have been running in the elections alone, I had no rival. Why would I or Adi vote for me if I had no rival? In season 64 my rival was a coach who took 4th place in WCQ and was in the table behind Iceland U21, which I was coaching at the time. He didn't even have an election statement, and I was very active on the forum, it's easy to check. Is it strange that I won against him?

mustafaatik is also running alone, and still only has 4 votes. Obviously you would win without Adivip's votes... but that doesn't mean you didn't get them.

Now you write that you are not accusing us of anything, and before that one of us is a fraud... What is so strange about wanting to leave after 7 seasons? I worked very well with Adi, he helped train young Americans and I am very grateful to him for that. However, you do not help train young Americans. Mustafa is a very good coach, he will definitely train young Americans just like he did with young Azerbaijani players, but he will probably not be able to count on your help.

If I didn't win I would accept it. I'm the kind of person who doesn't go where I'm not wanted.

Now you write that you are not accusing us of anything, and before that one of us is a fraud

I don't understand what you don't understand, but I'm accusing one of you of being a fraud.

Just tell me what do I gain if you blame me? Why would I create multiple accounts and vote for you? It's illogical.

I see that there is no point in having a discussion with you if you are prejudiced against me and Adi. What you accuse us of is completely illogical. I am a believer and live by the rules. I don't know why I would cheat in an online game. After all, it didn't matter to my choices whether I got 5 votes or 15. I ran in the elections alone and had no rivals.

I'm not saying you, norbert1987, created multiple accounts.

I'm not saying you needed to cheat to win the election. You would have won anyway.

But the numbers prove that there was cheating in the elections, since season 64.

Whoever opened a new account to vote for Adivip, voted for you too.

At least this one who was banned, I'm sure he voted for Adivip:
https://sokker.org/pt/app/team/141249/

I was enjoying it, honestly.

Now it's ruined LOL. Now, to read the rest of this.

edit: Just for that, I give you THIS: https://www.youtube.com/v/VxsG7k1mgn4
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Hi everybody

Could it be that this increase in votes, in season 64, is due to the sk-mails that Advip supposedly issued?

It's very strange but it is posiible...
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I understand your hypothesis, but I am 100% sure that this user voted for Adivip:
https://sokker.org/pt/app/team/141249/

And he was banned.

In the elections, I was trying to be the first to register. I was very fast! But Adivip was even faster, and at a time when Americans would be in bed sleeping... there were already 2 votes for Adivip, one of them being from this banned user.

In these elections, it was only later that Adivip sent private messages.

I accept that I received fraudulent votes... but I am sure that Adivip received them too. And in the end, Adivip got the number of votes it has in every election.

This banned account was created long before I appeared here in the USA.

The USA finished 4th once, and he won the election anyway.

During the elections he said several times that he was sure he would win.

I am sure that in these 30 banned accounts, there were accounts to vote for Adivip.
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I definitely think this was part of the situation. It's not supposedly, I know of a person who actually told me he did. It happened.
I do wonder if someone NOT running for the elected positions sent a mass email responding folks of where to vote (not WHO) if that would be considered okay. Probably not, but I can say for sure that when someone who DOES run sends them, that poisons the well.

I've honestly got some thought about releme and his results and his recent posts, but until Paradiesky makes his announcement (get on this, buddy :D) I'm going to hold off for now.

Norbert.. I've only been back two seasons..

But I think you did a great job!
and i loved the fact that you didn't bring all the nonsense and excuses..

We play ball.. we win, we lose... we own it!
And of course.. Have FUN with it.. It after all.. just a game.

Cheers to you and your family! And congrats ;)

Thank you Blue.
In life I try to avoid unnecessary conversations and conflicts, but sometimes something inside me breaks if I hear nonsense.