Subpage under development, new version coming soon!
Onderwerp: Why I hate Hattrick!
So to summarize, you like HT because its mistakes have been around longer, and you'll be more likely able to log in without problems to enjoy them? Interesting.
and he basically likes an unrealistic and simpleton sim, something a trained monkey can succeed in given enough time, because he's too lazy to put the work into what a more realistic soccer simulation would require.
Interesting indeed. :)
I'll give BoP credit for spelling his opinion out though. I mean hey, at least he knows what he wants.
He wants McDonald's. This game is s steakhouse.
(gewijzigd)
Interesting indeed. :)
I'll give BoP credit for spelling his opinion out though. I mean hey, at least he knows what he wants.
He wants McDonald's. This game is s steakhouse.
(gewijzigd)
BoP [del] naar
islander1 [del]
As I said before, it's ok if you don't agree with me. But fact that many people here and in HT can't live without slapping various degrading qualifications onto other people, and all because of a game or something equally trivial, doesn't help either game's case. On the contrary.
I really disagree with you Islander. Like I stated before I like both games, but in reality, you are looking at HT differently than it should. For what it is, it is a very good game. It does not have the bells, whistles, and videogame effects of SK.
But what it is, is a viable community, economy, and social arena. BoP was perfect in his analysis of the economy. HT is more equitable economic system, where SK is a case of who can win a game of bidding.
The one issue I have with the way SK treats the transfer market is you are penalized financially if you want to sell a player at a high price. You have to pay a high amount just to list him?
Why can't I test the market with my best player. Maybe I want to get $5 million for a player, but if not, I want to keep him.
In HT it costs ma $2k to list him whether it is for $0 or $10 million. And if I cannot get my price no harm to me.
So for the time being, HT is more a financial management game with some soccer mixed in. SK is a soccer game, with some finances mixed in.
To bash a game you have given little effort too (at least I am trying HA!!) really does makes you sound bitter for whatever reason ;)
But what it is, is a viable community, economy, and social arena. BoP was perfect in his analysis of the economy. HT is more equitable economic system, where SK is a case of who can win a game of bidding.
The one issue I have with the way SK treats the transfer market is you are penalized financially if you want to sell a player at a high price. You have to pay a high amount just to list him?
Why can't I test the market with my best player. Maybe I want to get $5 million for a player, but if not, I want to keep him.
In HT it costs ma $2k to list him whether it is for $0 or $10 million. And if I cannot get my price no harm to me.
So for the time being, HT is more a financial management game with some soccer mixed in. SK is a soccer game, with some finances mixed in.
To bash a game you have given little effort too (at least I am trying HA!!) really does makes you sound bitter for whatever reason ;)
fla21667:
Here is your quote I want to reference.
"But what it is, is a viable community, economy, and social arena."
Who the hell cares about this? (I guess you and BoP do)
I mean, if this is what's important to you, then damn...get outside more is all I gotta say.
I don't play these games for social avenues. I play them for the simulation to real life aspects and challenges of the game. I play them to beat other people.
The only reason I do the stuff I do for HA is because ice hockey sims are in very short supply, and good ones even shorter...so I have a personal interest in seeing HA succeed and grow. But I'm not a NAT there for the social aspect. I'm there because it has been a springboard for me to become a real driving force behind upcoming changes to the game.
I mean, that's the point behind these games, isn't it?
(gewijzigd)
Here is your quote I want to reference.
"But what it is, is a viable community, economy, and social arena."
Who the hell cares about this? (I guess you and BoP do)
I mean, if this is what's important to you, then damn...get outside more is all I gotta say.
I don't play these games for social avenues. I play them for the simulation to real life aspects and challenges of the game. I play them to beat other people.
The only reason I do the stuff I do for HA is because ice hockey sims are in very short supply, and good ones even shorter...so I have a personal interest in seeing HA succeed and grow. But I'm not a NAT there for the social aspect. I'm there because it has been a springboard for me to become a real driving force behind upcoming changes to the game.
I mean, that's the point behind these games, isn't it?
(gewijzigd)
I still can't believe that you both gave as a good point from Hattrick, the economy... HTs promised change their economy exactly because it's the worst point there. You buy a trainee for X, train him for 3 season and sell for 0,8X, before breaking your team.
If you just wanna access for seeing your result and make your lineup, it's better and easier if you decide to play Elifoot. :)
If you just wanna access for seeing your result and make your lineup, it's better and easier if you decide to play Elifoot. :)
I imagine both of you are unaware that almost all the top teams in HT are "boosted", which is a 1000 supporter BONUS that was given about 4 years ago when the game was getting bigger. Those teams have thousands more in income just because they were around a while back. What, exactly, is "equitable" about that market?
I liked HT. I stopped when I started selling trainees for less than I paid for them. The market there crashed because salaries cripple ET players and better. Boosted teams can pay salaries of ET players. Non-boosted teams cannot. It is that simple, and that unfair. How much fun is it trying to figure out how to time your team where the ONLY way to get to Div II is to happen to be able to afford the salaries of 11 titanic players all at once, and when you get to II, you get thumped by all the boosted teams.
By the way, these are sokker sims. Real Madrid and ManU win bidding wars, just like the Poles do here. But since the leagues are all US teams with the same "we don't have the Poles' bank accounts" problems, it is fair. There is nothing to say that a div C team can't surpass a ML team. I believe that Guac was Div C, and Pink Pirates was ML, at one time. I was Div C, and I'm ML now. Anyone can succeed here if you train well and buy good talented trainees.
Talk about an inequitable game if Greg gives top teams 1000 supporters, and everyone else nothing. That's the HT route. That's why I hate it.
(gewijzigd)
I liked HT. I stopped when I started selling trainees for less than I paid for them. The market there crashed because salaries cripple ET players and better. Boosted teams can pay salaries of ET players. Non-boosted teams cannot. It is that simple, and that unfair. How much fun is it trying to figure out how to time your team where the ONLY way to get to Div II is to happen to be able to afford the salaries of 11 titanic players all at once, and when you get to II, you get thumped by all the boosted teams.
By the way, these are sokker sims. Real Madrid and ManU win bidding wars, just like the Poles do here. But since the leagues are all US teams with the same "we don't have the Poles' bank accounts" problems, it is fair. There is nothing to say that a div C team can't surpass a ML team. I believe that Guac was Div C, and Pink Pirates was ML, at one time. I was Div C, and I'm ML now. Anyone can succeed here if you train well and buy good talented trainees.
Talk about an inequitable game if Greg gives top teams 1000 supporters, and everyone else nothing. That's the HT route. That's why I hate it.
(gewijzigd)
Nice post. :)
Back when my best players were excellent-formidable I got alot more enjoyment out of HT. My roster had enough flexibility I could do things tactically to win games.
Now that my best players are titanic-ET, those days are all but gone. My line-up simlpy doesn't have the depth to have more then 1 viable formation. Nor do my opponents (I think there was only 1 team in my division this past season that used more then 1 formation). There's no battle of wits, just who wins the coin toss.
It literally takes me two minutes to prepare for an match in HT now. It takes me longer then that to decide my freekick taker each week in Sokker. :) To me, the game experience is almost incomparable.
Back when my best players were excellent-formidable I got alot more enjoyment out of HT. My roster had enough flexibility I could do things tactically to win games.
Now that my best players are titanic-ET, those days are all but gone. My line-up simlpy doesn't have the depth to have more then 1 viable formation. Nor do my opponents (I think there was only 1 team in my division this past season that used more then 1 formation). There's no battle of wits, just who wins the coin toss.
It literally takes me two minutes to prepare for an match in HT now. It takes me longer then that to decide my freekick taker each week in Sokker. :) To me, the game experience is almost incomparable.
guacamole [del] naar
BoP [del]
Look, I appreciate your opinion, BoP. You're absolutely entitled to enjoy Hattrick! And that you also enjoy sokker is great. I just thought i'd opine as well :)
@site functionality: this is not functionality. The functionality is what actions are available, not the colors and layout and "eye candy". I agree, however, that sokker is ugly - that's why there are skins. And i know that in the next major release there will be a way to massively redo the site look-and-feel...
@training and matches: The match report on sokker is more thorough and informative than HT's. Don't watch the match if you don't want. Your opponents will have an advantage, but you'll still have more info than hattrick gives. As per coaches, you're doing something wrong if it takes > 10 minutes, once every 2-3 months. I can help if you want.
@stage of development: This one is the silliest imho. Hattrick not being changed much isn't an advantage. Sure it's stable - but you actually cite the worst part of hattrick to most people - the transfer market and economy - as a plus. I do agree, however, that the transfer market here is tough given the complex blend of skills and the # of users (prices for a player can fluctuate). It is an advantage for focused users, in the long run, but can be frustrating. But it's CERTAINLY not better in hattrick, where every player from skill level outstanding to titanic is worth just abotu the same price, and after 16 it actually DROPS DRASTICALLY.
As far as the future economy goes, you can't really fault a game because it hasn't dealt with potential problems that MAY happen in the future and MAY not be addressed effectively. And, btw, i do know that the devs are already considering things to address possible inflation or deflation, and, most importantly, most of the ideas they're tossing around are directly related to the inflationary factors, not arbitrary and artificial wage curves just imposed to remove $$ from the market at an insanely sharp curve.
@fla:
Why can't I test the market with my best player. Maybe I want to get $5 million for a player, but if not, I want to keep him.
That's to stop day trading. Fishing at high amounts would be more viable if this happened, and more uneducated users would lose money. This would hurt, not help, imho. The really best scenario for stabilizing market prices for a given player is continued growth.
I do agree that HT is a financial management system with some sokker thrown in. That is a great way to look at it. If you enjoy that more than the sokker simiulation, i definitely CAN see you enjoying HT mroe than sokker!
And HT does have a larger community and social arena. Both of those two areas are great aspects of HT.
@site functionality: this is not functionality. The functionality is what actions are available, not the colors and layout and "eye candy". I agree, however, that sokker is ugly - that's why there are skins. And i know that in the next major release there will be a way to massively redo the site look-and-feel...
@training and matches: The match report on sokker is more thorough and informative than HT's. Don't watch the match if you don't want. Your opponents will have an advantage, but you'll still have more info than hattrick gives. As per coaches, you're doing something wrong if it takes > 10 minutes, once every 2-3 months. I can help if you want.
@stage of development: This one is the silliest imho. Hattrick not being changed much isn't an advantage. Sure it's stable - but you actually cite the worst part of hattrick to most people - the transfer market and economy - as a plus. I do agree, however, that the transfer market here is tough given the complex blend of skills and the # of users (prices for a player can fluctuate). It is an advantage for focused users, in the long run, but can be frustrating. But it's CERTAINLY not better in hattrick, where every player from skill level outstanding to titanic is worth just abotu the same price, and after 16 it actually DROPS DRASTICALLY.
As far as the future economy goes, you can't really fault a game because it hasn't dealt with potential problems that MAY happen in the future and MAY not be addressed effectively. And, btw, i do know that the devs are already considering things to address possible inflation or deflation, and, most importantly, most of the ideas they're tossing around are directly related to the inflationary factors, not arbitrary and artificial wage curves just imposed to remove $$ from the market at an insanely sharp curve.
@fla:
Why can't I test the market with my best player. Maybe I want to get $5 million for a player, but if not, I want to keep him.
That's to stop day trading. Fishing at high amounts would be more viable if this happened, and more uneducated users would lose money. This would hurt, not help, imho. The really best scenario for stabilizing market prices for a given player is continued growth.
I do agree that HT is a financial management system with some sokker thrown in. That is a great way to look at it. If you enjoy that more than the sokker simiulation, i definitely CAN see you enjoying HT mroe than sokker!
And HT does have a larger community and social arena. Both of those two areas are great aspects of HT.
@guac - never thought about the day trading aspect. That makes sense, but it would make more sense if there were a minimum amount of time a player must stay on your roster before you can list him without a day-trading surcharge. That would fix both issues.