Onderwerp: CHAMPIONS LEAGUE 2012-13

Vilpu, that ref judged differently for arbeloa (only yellow in the first half at evra with the intention to fault) and nani (red card without intention). And if we consider that the game was quite straight forward until that moment, without tough faults and tentions, I still have the opinion that the ref ruined the game... then I observed the reaction of Real players and staff at the end of the game... they left the impression that they are not happy winning in that manner (not that it was their fault but like they received something for free without asking for it). Then I followed press and specialists' opinions and the majority are saying not red there.

In my opinion a good ref should "read" the match and take more aspects into consideration when he makes a major decision not just to strictly follow his first thought... and last night the game was very good until that moment, nothing suggested that a red card should be given so easy...

And finally, I found Arbeloa's fault:
watch here

If this was only a yellow, why Nani's was a red?
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If you quote, then quote everything. Graham Poll:

"However, I understand that the protection of players and ensuring their safety is drummed into UEFA referees at all seminars and with Pierluigi Collina, the European referees’ chief, sitting in the stand, Cakir will have felt enormous pressure to follow those guidelines.

Those elite UEFA referees watching will not have been surprised at the red card but the English ones would acknowledge they would not have dismissed a player for the same offence in a Premier League game."

therefore = red card

LOL


I might just add this one as well. maybe it will help to whipe off little bit of red from ur biased glasses:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/roy-keane-on-nani-sending-off-its-dangerous-play--its-a-red-card-8522260.html

same action, same referee decision

therefore = "I can understand why he made mistake"

So why Arbeloa got only yellow?

I haven't seen Arbeloa's tackle, you'd have to give me a replay

and no, no = I understand why he made a mistake. He acted according to the rules and advices of the UEFA referee committee.
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+ I would also add the comparison with BPL match manu vs chelsea 28/10/12. Torres did quite similar foul on cleverly as nani did. challenge for the ball and Torres hit cleverly´s arm with the bottom of his shoe. Cleverly wasn´t even pissed off nor even said anything to ref.

Torres got a yellow card. but in different forums, youtube commentaries, news commentaries - everybody said it should´ve been red card(including manu fans ofc). even Ferguson mentioned several times it should´ve been red card for Torres, and now when a manure player does the same, even worse, foul, suddenly it is ok to do this kind of fouls and the ref is a fucking retard if he gives a red card.

Graham Poll
"The Portuguese winger challenged for the ball with a raised foot and only had eyes for the ball but caught Alvaro Arbeloa. It looked like dangerous play and at worst a yellow card."

So if you only look at the ball and don't look around you, you can do whatever you want without getting a red card?

45sec - Nani looks in Arbeloa's direction, therefore he knows he makes a potentially very dangerous tackle that might hurt Arbeloa

clear case, red card, bye bye

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pussies :p If you really think that is red, then Arbeloas challenge is red too. I'd stick with yellow for both, otherwise we'd get ridiculous matches. Zlatan's case is different, he clearly knew that at least one opponent is directly with him and he's also way too late (relatively speaking) against the gk. However I'm not sure whether I'd give a red there either - again, dangerous play but not really bad intention.

As I said, if you follow the rules like that, every overhead kick with close opponent = red, every elbow in a header duel = red etc.

Zlatan's case is different, he clearly knew that at least one opponent is directly with him and he's also way too late (relatively speaking)

if you look at the replay that I've posted since ''45, then you will see that Nani knew that Arbeloa is running for the ball as well + Arbeloa was faster than him

even if he didn`t deserve direct red cart for kung fu kick, he deserved second yellow for rolling on the floor and simulating he was the one that got injured :)

he had a quick glance.. (maybe not even as far as Arbeloa was because the distance was still pretty big at that point. Arbeloa "enters" the picture later) it was impossible for him to analyze/calculate that Arbeloa would be faster or not. In any case his action is dangerous (whether he knows there's someone coming or not) and may be stupid, but not a red card imho.

I totally agree with you.

Personally i found it a 50/50 situation only due to the fact it wasn't malicious in anyway, but yes, it was dangerous. However, if that is considered dangerous, then you could argue the Evra foul, and Lopez punch on Vidic.

The game was brilliant up until that point with few forceful tackles, then to give a straight red i think was quite harsh considering many players use the flying kick to control balls like that.

It really did ruin the match and i don't think Real enjoyed it in the end either. Nobody likes to see a game die due to a non-conclusive refereeing decision, it killed the game, and killed the MU mentality.

this iss not red, as when you give this a red, you can give any high foot a red, as it's all potentially dangerous. It happens in almost every game that a player has his foot near the head of the opponent. I never saw a red card though... So, tell me, what's the difference here? He raises his foot high. Coincidentally, a player who clearly can see what Nani i doing, decides to jump for it anyway... This is just no red whatsoever...