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Onderwerp: »[info]DevDiary 80: “Price is what you pay, value is what

2024-03-12 12:58:52
joker25 naar Poey
instead of being encouraged to have as many good teams in the game as possible, they are encouraged:
- after you promote in a top league, sell the players and play 40 mark team
- after relegating from a top league, you sell and play with 30 marks
- instead of normal matches----tactical corner
And then we wonder why sokker is not going in the right direction, it cannot go only with the pressroom brothers!
2024-03-12 13:02:24
Poey naar joker25
Yes, it is a complete joke indeed.
This is the most important thing to change, no any doubt for me.
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2024-03-12 13:11:27
Terrion naar Poey
There's no room for everybody to stay in the top at the same time. The BEST for the game is to rotate so that everybody has a chance if he manages his team properly

If you want to win all the time, play an offline Game with the computer. That's the way :P
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2024-03-12 13:17:23
But it’s not rotation

It’s playing for 2-5 seasons and then NOT playing for 10 seasons, only training and making money

While most people still don’t go up because they don’t know how to play / don’t want to make money, so they just stay at same average level forever, using only sponsor/ticket money

Most top teams in Poland are the same, just changing when they stop playing and start training… or when they simply stop playing :)

The situation is terrible but it’s even worse that there is clearly no idea how to change it for better, if anything it will change for worse
2024-03-12 13:20:24
Poey naar Terrion
No way it is a solution to force People to relegate and to play boring corner tactics for some years. People will leave, because they dont want to wait for so long.
Old People/users as me, will probably do this (but a lot dont also) but young People from the current fast life wont for sure.
At first it will take them very long to get at top ( 95% will leave earlier because of that)and than they are punished...., so the other 5% will leave.
Sorry, but is a very wrong decision for the future of this game.

It is so simple to see this happening, come on.
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2024-03-12 13:25:24
If i am in league 1 and i lose money and you are in league 4 and make a lot of money , you replace me because you are better?
Give me a chance at least to maintain my team (not to get richer) , you can make a team better than mine ( because you have the posibility to make more money than me) then come and send me in league 2.
But to be replaced by the stupid game sistem is not fair.
It is place for everyone who knows something about this game and want to build a strong team.
2024-03-12 13:26:14
cometer naar Poey
So what’s the solution then? I get your issue but if you allow perfect training outside of matches how is it going to be possible for those underneath or starting to ever catch up? It’s hard enough to do so already without resorting to frequent day trading which most of us don’t want in the first place. The problem is you can’t have both situations. Either it must be hard for top teams to stay top or it’s very hard for bottom teams to rise.

What’s worse for longevity of the game? New users quitting or a handful of older managers quitting? I don’t know the answer but full training on its own isn’t going to make the game any better (except for those already at the top).
2024-03-12 13:40:25
Your math is broken my friend......

For example in 4-5th league i made in 6 seasons 70-80ME , in league 1 i losed in 3 seasons 30 ME how the F someone in the lowest league cant catch me?
2024-03-12 13:43:06
The answer is obvious. Keeping the new users in the game is more important than keeping old users. Their argument don t stand. Even in real live there is a cycle. Man United won everything for 15 years and now they are mid table every single season. In Romania there were times when the same user won for 4,5 seasons. If you want more than that then you are greedy.
2024-03-12 13:45:36
Poey naar cometer
As said earlier today top teams do earn money at trainees with better training indeed.
But they lose lots of money with older competitive players also.
Newcomers can earn money with trainees also and doing the right way they will earn a lot. But..., they wont lose money at older players because they dont need them!

So full training will still benefit the newcomers and newcomers can get closer and closer to the top.
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2024-03-12 13:48:40
Poey naar ionutzc
Keeping newcomers is more important indeed. But with the current system of long working to get at top for them and punishing them after reaching top, they will leave soon or earlier.

Current training system kills all.
You need to split training from playing in official matches for at least 96% instead of 85%.
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2024-03-12 13:49:03
cometer naar Poey
Except that’s unlikely to be the case if you give full training without playing a match. Those at the top will cherry pick all the best trainees and will therefore earn the most profit from reselling if they don’t end up in their starting teams at some point anyway. At the same time they’re earning the most revenue on top. It’s the best of both worlds for them

Yes the current situation is harsh for those at the top but I don’t think simply changing juniors to receive training without playing is the way to go. That just screams monopoly of both trainees and league dominance to me.
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2024-03-12 13:49:31
Yeah,and Manchester was forced to go to in league 4 to make some money:))
i saw it play even corner tactic to not have injuries:))
2024-03-12 13:51:21
Poey naar joker25
Lol
2024-03-12 13:52:56
Poey naar cometer
I did explain this already twice today, it is not.

Of course trainees have to play, did not mention they dont have to.
And, you can earn the most with buying cheap players..., other trainees are expensive from the beginning. Of course it is different for 0,1% of the trainees, this are the absolute top trainees that go for 20 million euro + . 0,1% only.
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2024-03-12 13:56:04
For me the solution always leads to the same.

Lack of good juniors makes all the money goes to the youngest players market. Then, oldest are cheaper.

if you want to train a 25+ yo player, most probably you will lose money, then you dont want to waste your training slot and end bidding on thu u21 market.

If you want to win and train, you have to sacrifice. Yes, I agree, but now this is totally unbalanced

Top league clubs should be able to train players above 25 yo and get and make profits.
But the market would say that these profits are less than mid level leagues where can be trained from 21 to 23
And still this profits should be less than low level leagues where u can train u21

This is the logic I follow on training / profits / winning. But the market is broken
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