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I can only go back to 24 and 5/13 , thats probably when I renewed my plus....
I am not saying he has the best talent in sokker , but it was pretty good until he reached higher skills or he got to 25...
Until I see it in my training , nobody can convince me they didnt slow down the training for older players or higher skills...

The problem is you are saying things that don't say much, like "his talent was pretty good". Pretty good meaning what exactly?

and I have shown you that in previous system a 5x divine [so had to be TOP talent] had +9 in pm and didn't pop and his owner "hoped" he would improve

training at 27-29 was always hard and slow

Until I see it in my training , nobody can convince me they didnt slow down the training for older players or higher skills...

before you said that younger training talent was also changed because your young player needed 5 trainings to 11 technique... and that's obviously not true

another example from previous system... my own player, 3x superdivine

Romuald Pałysz , wiek 27
wartość: 12 321 000 zł
wynagrodzenie: 149 900 zł
magiczna [15] forma
wzrost: 164 cm, waga: 58.4 kg,
BMI: 21.73

świetna [11] kondycja tragiczny [0] bramkarz
nadboska [18] szybkość celujący [10] obrońca
nadboska [18] technika znakomity [12] rozgrywający
niesamowite [13] podania nadboski [18] strzelec

not the best talent (like 3.2 or sth), but under 4.0

my post from 24.07.2014 when he finally popped to superdivine [18] pace:

"|e, dzisiaj juz musial skoczyc - 14 treningow mu to zajelo, miazga :p"
in English: "today he had to finally pop - it took him 14 trainings"

14 trainings to superdivine at 27yo...

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"no dlugo mu zeszla, boska szybkosc po 12"
in English: "yeah took him long enough, popped to divine pace after 12"
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My 27yo needs at least 5 trainings to pop passing from 10 to 11. He has +4 now, i guess he will pop on next Thursday. Is that much?

It's normal

With the old system, your striker would have popped in 11 weeks to pace....

I dont have the data before that , but I remember he had a pretty good talent , definitly not 10 weeks to magical pace or defender...I'm just amazed how my players go from 8 weeks to magical pace, to 11 to 16 and then 14 to divine

It WAS with the old system, it was info that I wrote in 2014 when I trained him

it's from this topic

so you simply remember wrong how it was years ago... took him 12 trainings to divine at 26 and 14 trainings to superdivine at 27

Sorry , I thought is was from 2024 instead of 2014....

I'm not trying to convince you, it was just a personal observation from my training , and a lot other users feel the same way....instead of making the training a bit faster because of the short season , they actually made it slower for older players, so therefore we wont see super-players like Miaso or any other 5x17 ever again...

I'm just sticking around for training , and it sucks when I need more than a season for one pop....I went from 4-5 pops a week to 1-2, and I dont even have old players in my squad....

I prefer actual data than "feeling" or "remembering" something. The data shows nothing changed.

Young players improve same way as always [even faster now because of 2x general training], old players [26+] train slow as 10 years ago...

Can you provide me this data that shows that nothing changed for old players?

I gave you examples of high level skill pops in the old system, that's data.

[even faster now because of 2x general training]

+50% is not 2x, it's 1.5x


You mentioned young players who need 5 trainings to 3 technique. That’s not a change in game, that’s just bad talent. I had 24yo getting to magical after less than 5 full trainings.

That's weird, 24yo with 3.2 talent needs about 6.5 full training for full pop from 14.00 -> 15.00 (so assuming no extras going into 14 or after getting 15). Your Drewek that popped from general training to [14] and then again from general training to [15] needed:
- 5 gt at 23yo
- 1+12gt at 24yo
- 3+3gt at 25yo
That's 4+20gt = almost 7 trainings (although half of it was at 25yo, so that's why it would be bit less purely at 24yo, ~6.5 like I said)


As for older, 26yo needs around 8 trainings to divine tech, also seems normal for that age.

Not possible, 26yo with 3.2 talent needs about 10 trainings for full pop to divine tech.
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That's weird, 24yo with 3.2 talent needs about 6.5 full training for full pop from 14.00 -> 15.00

it's possible I messed up and it was about one of his earlier pops to 14 or 15, possibly passing at 22/23? ...you'd have to check in the data that I've sent you, I don't have it anymore (that's why I don't like "I feel" or "I remember", easy to mess up)

Not possible, 26yo with 3.2 talent needs about 10 trainings for full pop to divine tech.

I don't know the exact numbers that are needed, there's usually "residue" from previous pop + ages during training differ [some trainings at 25 and some at 26 for example]

but you are right, I checked now and Ruivo popped to divine tech after 9 +5GT, not after 8
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I've only had him for 3 seasons , when he was 23, his pace was 11 and he popped at every 4-5 weeks....after he hit 25, its almost like his talent slowed down with 50%

No, Cossey's pace wasn't [11] at 23yo. You bought him with [15] pace.

And he is nothing special, this is how progress of top talent defender can look (def was few gts from pop to divine when I sold him):

14 weeks to divine pace....you can't look like this and have this talent in the same time

Player can look like Cossey with average talent. Moerman could look like that at age 26 / week 7 if he had 4.20 talent (instead of 3.15-3.20 he has). And skill-wise Moerman was just an average 16yo at the moment I bought him.

yea i know that its crazy too! :/

Since I expanded my stadium to 3,000 indoor seats, there have been about four games that filled the stadium or close to it and the indoor seats always had 2,999 people, with higher and even lower prices. The strange thing is that it never reaches 3000, the maximum was always 2999.

Any idea about this phenomenon?