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Above expectations is always 67% (but I will try to ask for changing it to 70%)

Goal achieved - average level is 50% so 67% is much better than base level.

This is just my view, but there seems to be bugs or miscalculations as it applies to higher expectation teams.
If you're expected to finish 3rd, and you finish 3rd, your fan base should be more than 50% happy. There's virtually no way to make your fans 100% happy in this scenario since there's only two levels past this.

Plus, top half is so open ended. Look at all the teams expected to finish 'top half' in my league here:
https://sokker.org/league_stats/leagueID/1064/stat_type/expectations

I got "top half would be above expectations". I finished second. Yet my fans are only 67% happy with the result versus expectations. As far as I know, I'm two levels above expectations, if not three (top half, podium, vice championship).

I think this current implementation works for bottom half teams, but it doesn't seem to function accurately for better teams in the league. Say Atlantic FC (in my league) finished second instead of third. Would a football fan base really be 33% happy and consider it a total failure? I don't know about that. Finishing 6th? THAT would be total failure.

It's not a bug. But I understand what you mean. 100% would be more intuitive for achieving a goal.
But it is just a scale. Doesn't really matter if it is 0, 33, 50, 67, 100, or it would be 0, 67, 100, 133, 200, or even 0, 4, 6, 8, 12. We could scale is however we want and work with it in algorithm so it would result the same at the end (final mood).

You should look at it like:
- goal achieved is a base (no matter how many % we give at that level)
- great success is 2x base
- total failure is 0x base
- above expectations is 1,33x base
- below expectations is 0,67x base

1) we could just hide that numbers so people won't be that confused
2) I will try to push the change:
- above expectations would be 1,4x base
- below expectations would be 0,6x base
Because now below, goal achieved and above expectations are too close comparing to great success and total failure
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I understand you here. I appreciate the efforts, as always, in correspondence!

It just seems to me that, in the case of my own team, there's no benefit to finishing second versus fourth versus fifth. According to how it's coded at present.

So FYI you weren’t 2 levels above expectations either. It’s grouped into categories.

Championship- 1st
Podium - 2nd/3rd
Top half - 4th-6th

Thus your fans expected top half and you achieved podium so that’s +1 and so you should have fans expectations of above expectations but not massive success or whatever the one is where you finish 2 or more categories above.

Still I agree with you the system is flawed a little for those unable to achieve 2 categories above their expectations.

I've seen vice-championship as a category. Just look at my league expectations above. Four teams had it.
So, I take this (and last season's categories) to mean: Championship, Vice Championship, Podium AKA third, and Top half.

Also, I think you're missing the fact that Top half for me was 'above expectations' so finishing 6th alone is +1. They expected 7-9th place, I'm guessing.
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Ok well that’s interesting then. Wasn’t aware of vice-championship as I haven’t seen it. Good to know then. Happy to learn something new :)

Example of a team having "top half of the table", getting 2nd place and having "great success":

https://sokker.org/league/leagueID/658
https://sokker.org/league_stats/leagueID/658/stat_type/expectations

In my opinion it's stupid that two teams (islander's and this example) that both have expectations X and both finish in place Y could get different expectations fulfillment

Long story short
Range of positions to achieve any of the expectations level is not always the same for each of expectations, it depends also from the expectations of other teams. It's pretty complicated to explain in few words.

Achieving your fans expectation should always be 75-80% of fans’ Level of satisfaction with fulfillment expectations.
It’s a great effort for every team to make this b*tches happy match by match and gettin my stadium full everytime I win but if you loose the fans’ mood drastically drops and also the assistance.

Stars-Sosnowiec had more teams above him with higher expectations. Beeing second in the league he jumped over more "better" teams.
In the islanders league, there were less teams with better expectations, beeing second meant jumping over less "better" teams, so it's not rewarded same way.

Expectations for season that is currently ending were calculated with old algorithm. If it would be calculated with the new algorithm, islander would also have "great success" this season.

How many ratings of the season can a team achieve? I mean...how many levels are there?
My opinion is that, when your team has a % of achievement, then that % needs to be divided by the amount of ratings there are in total, from complete failure to great succes.
And imo, if your team is in the bottom or the top one, then it should always be between 0 and 10 or 90 and 100.
And all the other levels in between need to be divided with the remaining ratings. So let's say there are 6, including the worst and best, then there are 4 remaining for the remaining 80% in between 10 and 90

So if so, it should be

0 - 10% - total failure
11 - 29% - bad season
30 - 49% - below expectations
50 - 69% - season succes
70 - 89% - above expectations
90 - 100% - great succes

Based on this:

"- goal achieved is a base (no matter how many % we give at that level)
- great success is 2x base
- total failure is 0x base
- above expectations is 1,33x base
- below expectations is 0,67x base"

There's only 5 levels of expectations anyway. Despite the fact there are far more categories.


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I do understand why Stars-Sosnowiec would be great success and higher. I just felt like based on my league expectations:


That I would get more than 67%/1.33x.

However, there is no 1.5x or 1.67x. So really, I could've finished 6th place and gotten the same fan happiness.

If this is accurate (IF), that's really unfortunate given the emphasis is being pushed towards winning.

When is the age update, and have they fixed that stupid bug that screwed everyone out of their Week 1 16 year olds?

When is the age update

from the beggin of sokker, the age update is LAST FRIDAY of the season (so this friday)
BUT... i think i read some time ago that was changed for FIRST SATURDAY of the season (So this saturday)

Next monday all anual payment of the club. Fans, sponsors, etc.

When is the age update

Saturday 14th

and have they fixed that stupid bug that screwed everyone out of their Week 1 16 year olds?

We´ll see....

=)