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Onderwerp: I might as well just quit this game
in UM there is no supporter mood to affect sponsor income
7 pages and you havnt quit??
Lol Gaz, I didn't create this thread, and frankly it just seemed like the right place to b*tch about it. I really don't care, it is just stupid, ya know?
Lol Gaz, I didn't create this thread, and frankly it just seemed like the right place to b*tch about it. I really don't care, it is just stupid, ya know?
yea this is my thread, I'm just letting fla borrow it
And thank you. Oh and to add to it, as you know I play the same opponent next week, he has sold or fired all his players, so I reckon my fans will be furious next week despite taking 6 points from 6 and a +10GD.
im hemorrhaging supporters right now. having over 2800 lead to impossibly high expectations of performance, leading to a supporter mood that wont increase, and ultimately leading to a dramatic drop in sponsor money per week. ill have to tough it out til about 2650 supporters, where i can finally start lifting the mood back up again and get the sponsor money where i want it at. the system is dumb
this doesnt happen in UM =P
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this doesnt happen in UM =P
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the stadium maintanance thing is dumb in UM, I am hammering all my income on it at the moment
I quit UM because the website was agonizingly slow and the matches were boring to watch with all of the slow transitions (tackles and such). I know there are some extra features in UM that others value, but, for me, that doesn't outweight the annoyance of a slow website or subpar match engine. I actually logged in yesterday and saw that my finances were down to $55,000 and I was in 4th place but couldn't motivate myself to do anything else with my team. I really haven't missed it. UM was too easy in terms of increasing your stadium and last I checked the transfer market needs much more activity to be enjoyable. I enjoy the challenge in sokker of establishing your team, initial challenge of being able to increase your stadium size, and I love the activity and challenge of the transfer market. I haven't seen the effect of fan mood yet so I can't really speak to that.
Fanclub members: 2653
Mood: Your supporters are madly in love with their club
Mood: Your supporters are madly in love with their club
a lot of people have that complaint, but it is actually a cool feature and here is why:
it just has the illusion of being a burden, because you physically have to push a button to pay it. if you had to physically push a button to pay your players salaries, you would feel negatively about that expense as well. if they instead just automatically made your weekly economic maintenance with the stadium maintenance in it already, you may not have complained at all. but also realize that this maintenance is only paid on seats that actually get used - if you overbuilt your stadium and only fill it up halfway, you are only paying this extra fee on the seats you sold, not a higher amount on the total size
another way to look at it, the reason it is an interesting feature, is because you can think of it as an interest free loan. instead of being forced to pay it auto each week, you can instead delay that payment and invest that money elsewhere, and repay it at a later date of your choice
the bottom line is that the stadium is still very profitable compared to initial cost of the seats to build. i got 620k last home match, with two weeks of 110k auto stadium cost, for a weekly profit of 200k. maintenance only cost 34k for that match, so the weekly profit goes from 200k to 185k
imo its just psychological when people feel negatively about it due to manually having to push a button
it just has the illusion of being a burden, because you physically have to push a button to pay it. if you had to physically push a button to pay your players salaries, you would feel negatively about that expense as well. if they instead just automatically made your weekly economic maintenance with the stadium maintenance in it already, you may not have complained at all. but also realize that this maintenance is only paid on seats that actually get used - if you overbuilt your stadium and only fill it up halfway, you are only paying this extra fee on the seats you sold, not a higher amount on the total size
another way to look at it, the reason it is an interesting feature, is because you can think of it as an interest free loan. instead of being forced to pay it auto each week, you can instead delay that payment and invest that money elsewhere, and repay it at a later date of your choice
the bottom line is that the stadium is still very profitable compared to initial cost of the seats to build. i got 620k last home match, with two weeks of 110k auto stadium cost, for a weekly profit of 200k. maintenance only cost 34k for that match, so the weekly profit goes from 200k to 185k
imo its just psychological when people feel negatively about it due to manually having to push a button
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the website used to lag i agree, but it doesnt anymore
yep, thats where i want to be. i lost a mood level when we tied, went up 1 with a 8 goal win over nanook, and stayed the same in 2 champions cup wins and 2 ML wins
now after a few slip ups that would inevitably have to happen eventually, my supporters are furious and income is 250k. im guessing your sponsor money was around 310k? id take 2650 supporters with a madly 310k sponsor income that is easy to obtain over a 2800 supporters and 330k top income. i am on my way there =P
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now after a few slip ups that would inevitably have to happen eventually, my supporters are furious and income is 250k. im guessing your sponsor money was around 310k? id take 2650 supporters with a madly 310k sponsor income that is easy to obtain over a 2800 supporters and 330k top income. i am on my way there =P
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I logged into UM twice today to check the accuracy of my statements. The first time it took quite a while but then when I relogged back in, it ran fairly quickly. However, when I switched to the different screens (club, finances, training) it did seem to take a while. As a test, I timed the amount of time it took to change my GK training to passing and save the changes and it took exactly 1 min. Usually, when I switch from page to page in sokker its less than 5 seconds so 1 minute to make a simple change makes a big impression on me when I'm used to it taking less than 10 seconds at most.
Also, I loaded up a UM game to objectively see what my problem is with UM's ME. Yes, generally UM's players don't make stupid passes out of bounds. It's a little hard to explain other than a general "I just don't like it", but I guess the best way to describe it is that UM's ME is like watching one of those old flip-the-page-really-fast picture books used to make a "movie" and sokker is much more fluid and like watching an actual movie. For me, I'd rather buy players that don't make stupid passes out of bounds and enjoy the match than sitting through a "picture-book" match engine. I really do wish we could merge the 2 games, but for now, sokker is more palatable.
Also, I loaded up a UM game to objectively see what my problem is with UM's ME. Yes, generally UM's players don't make stupid passes out of bounds. It's a little hard to explain other than a general "I just don't like it", but I guess the best way to describe it is that UM's ME is like watching one of those old flip-the-page-really-fast picture books used to make a "movie" and sokker is much more fluid and like watching an actual movie. For me, I'd rather buy players that don't make stupid passes out of bounds and enjoy the match than sitting through a "picture-book" match engine. I really do wish we could merge the 2 games, but for now, sokker is more palatable.
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lol are you on dial up? sokker screens take 1sec, and UM pages take me about 3sec. i changed training in 10 sec, a few of those seconds accounting for me having to find the training columns to switch around
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Ok, I was being generous on the sokker page transitions. It's actually like 1 or 2 seconds at most. But the UM page transitions are quite a bit longer. Not on dial-up. lol. Using work computer which is on LAN or WAN (not up to speed on technicalities of all that). I checked my speed at www.speedtest.net and download speed was 1.18 Mbps. Not sure how that compares with you. Of course we do have a firewall and other security programs but I do not know how that would account for the large discrepancy between sokker and UM loading times.
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UM's ME is like watching one of those old flip-the-page-really-fast picture books used to make a "movie" and sokker is much more fluid and like watching an actual movie
This would probably be my biggest complaint about the game also and was why I quit the first time I started.
But a couple things:
1. You can change the view to several different 2D modes that are a lot smoother looking. Not sure if you've seen the option to do so, it's kind of hidden, click on the icon that looks like a wrench and screwdriver crossed on the scoreboard to access the options.
2. The game is still in Beta stage and should get better. The devs are working on the game and are active on the MB, might be worth making a post over there about the jerkiness of the animations and see if they're on top of it.
Sokker and UM are at completely different arcs in their development. UM is beta and changing all the time. The admin who looks to be a developer is on the MB answering questions and suggestions personally. Sokker is more and more seeming like a game that it's developer is losing interest not just in improving but also in fixing just basic bugs. A couple weeks ago one of the mods in the Bugs/Ideas forum said they couldn't even get a hold of him. Not good. Sokker's flawed in a lot of important ways and needs more work.
This would probably be my biggest complaint about the game also and was why I quit the first time I started.
But a couple things:
1. You can change the view to several different 2D modes that are a lot smoother looking. Not sure if you've seen the option to do so, it's kind of hidden, click on the icon that looks like a wrench and screwdriver crossed on the scoreboard to access the options.
2. The game is still in Beta stage and should get better. The devs are working on the game and are active on the MB, might be worth making a post over there about the jerkiness of the animations and see if they're on top of it.
Sokker and UM are at completely different arcs in their development. UM is beta and changing all the time. The admin who looks to be a developer is on the MB answering questions and suggestions personally. Sokker is more and more seeming like a game that it's developer is losing interest not just in improving but also in fixing just basic bugs. A couple weeks ago one of the mods in the Bugs/Ideas forum said they couldn't even get a hold of him. Not good. Sokker's flawed in a lot of important ways and needs more work.