Onderwerp: Are Coaches Worth it?

Something that I've been thinking about lately is if coaches are still worth the money.

Right now I pay out around 125K a week to coaches (Which isn't a ton but it's a decent amount).

In the past I'd say this was probably worth it, but as of the last few seasons it seems that trainees are overpriced and older players are selling at an all time low and I'm not sure if the profits are there for the price of coaching that I'm paying.

I train 6 guys per week on striker, so that means each striker is receiving about 20K a week in training. If I train a single guy from age 18-21 (48 weeks) I am spending about $1 million in training alone that he is going to have to make up on the market.
Numbers:
125k per week in training
6.5 mill per year in training
6 strikers = 1 mill per year they need to makeup to cover any losses (or 1 mill a year I could have to spend on someone else)

Another way to think about it is if I can have a player not being trained (since I have bad coaches with little wages) and lose less than 1 million per year, then it has the same effect as a player I train who gains 1 million in a year
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My knee-jerk answer would be yes they are, but this kind of thinking outside of the box about finances is interesting.

That said, if your numbers are right and we are spending roughly a million to train a player for 3 seasons then I think the profits should be there when you sell. Key word in that sentence is "should", the market is hard to read and if you are not good at it you can get burned. I've been there and done that, training a Belgian striker for 2+ seasons and selling him for .5m less than what I paid.

But overall the profits are there to be made and they are usually a lot higher than 1m for 3 seasons worth of top training.

I wonder what would happen if you started out fresh and decided to do no training whatsoever...buying 26+yr old finished players only and a head coach just to keep the T.D. up. No assistants, no trainer.

I think you'd survive, and grow slowly, but there is no room for rapid progress. No way to hit a home run with a smart buy, train and sell that nets multiple millions in profit.

I think the short answer is that coaches are worth it to the extent that you have the ability to make use of them.

Yeah I'm leaning towards the coaches but that's also considering the ability to really work the market and get a good deal/build a smart player.

You also have to consider what your coaching staff is. For the people who have 4x unearthly coaches and a magical coach, they could be at double the price so they would need to make 2 million per player by the end of the year. Is the additional coaching worth another million per player that you need to make up? idk

I would say yes. I think its because of my coaches that my stud CM/DM is what he is today. And I only have incredible/brilliant coaches right now.

but without the costs for your coaches and the money you paid for your trainees, maybe the extra income could give you enough money to just buy a better team which could have gotten you A league (which equals more sponsor income and supporters). Or maybe I could be in the ML with a better team and getting more money instead of always having these young trainees who are decent but take time to improve and kinda keep my team down somewhat.

In terms of raw numbers, that's a pretty good breakdown. But, you also have to factor in what you get in game revenues per player to get a real cost of training. Yes, your coach costs "X". Your player salary costs "Y". Your gate receipts are "A." So, your real cost would be coaches + salary - game receipts. If you want to get really picky, you should probably factor in the sponsor money, too. And, then breakdown that number per player as well.

I've taken a moderate approach to this question. After my 1st season I did some research as to wages and auction prices as well as asked Slammmy and 2 other established users their opinions. What I found is there seems to be a hyperbolic rise in cost and wages the higher the rating. Although, it is hard to prove, I do not believe there is that same hyperbolic rise in training benefits with the Magical and Unearthly coaches/assistants compared to Formidable and Outstanding Assistants or Incredible/Brilliant head coaches.

The main thing that causes coaches salaries to skyrocket is goalkeeping training skills. As I don't train goalkeepers, there is no reason for me to pay a premium for coaches with those skills. My head coach is 15 & 16's across main skills and has an overall rating of brilliant. I have 2 assistants with an overall rating of formidable and 1 with outstanding. I pay about $67,000/wk in coaching salaries and still manage to get great results from training.

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In regards to coach2live:

Well I get the game revenue whether or not I am training a player or not, same with sponsor money.

Though if you're talking about my last point, yes you are possibly losing potential money from higher sponsors and higher attendance (in a higher league) since you are playing with scrappy young trainees instead of old veterans.

In regards to jlw:

I think that's definitely a factor to look at and that we really don't have enough knowledge on. What is the difference in training vs cost? Will an unearthly coach really bring 2x the training of an oustanding coach? Or more importantly, will an unearthly coach really bring 2x the money from training than an outstanding coach? People will pay CRAZY amounts of money for super studs and if you only train them with an outstanding coach then you will lose money for sure as opposed to using unearthly coaches to train them to 5x divine and sell them for 17 million or w/e. Which brings another question: is it even worth it to spend the money on a super stud if you have to also pay the money for all the coaches?

idk, too many things to think about in one post lol

Not to be overly technical, but it's actually more like 3-4X the cost/training for each assistant. My brilliant head coach costs me 2X as much as my Outstanding assistant and 3X as much as my Formidable assistants. Magical coaches cost about $40,000/wk, which is 4X as much as my assistants. I think it is worth it to have at least a brilliant head coach as their individual training skills affect the training of each of your trained players. However, imo, the assistants just improve the training effectiveness of the head coach, so it doesn't make sense to pay 4X as much money. I'm sure you get better training, but 4X as much training? Personally, I don't think so.
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so maybe another argument is: is it even worth it to have assistant coaches?

Maybe it's better to just have 3x exc-form assistant coaches and a decent head coach and then you can still train but at half the cost if not more

so maybe another argument is: is it even worth it to have assistant coaches?

Maybe it's better to just have 3x exc-form assistant coaches and a decent head coach and then you can still train but at half the cost if not more

With my new team I have been playing for 5 months. I think assistants coaches are overrated. I have been training pace during these months and some of my players are popping really fast. Few examples from pace training:
- 22yo 4w to excellent, 5 to formidable
- 19yo 4 w to formidable
- 18yo 2w to week
- 19yo 3 w to solid

...and so on and on...

I thin average for 18-19yo is 3 weeks to solid, 4w to very good...Depends on talent. If you have fairly talented players, then assistants to play that big role. Right now I have 2x excellent + 1 solid coach. I actually had much worse one some months back, didn`t see any difference.
As a beginner it seems more important to invest in multiskilled head coach. More "random" pops, speaking from my own experience.

A couple other things to consider, one is the cost of recruiting coaches. Once you start trying to get a really premium staff, the costs to acquire them go way up. So it's not just the monthly expense, it's also the initial layout. Mine was somewhere between 750k and 1m, using the coach recruit feature.

The other thing is that the numbers Llama came up with are for 6 trainees, that 1m per trainee for 3 seasons goes way down if you're training something other than striker. 40% for most skills (600k per player) with 10 trainees, and about 70-80% for pace, depending on how close to 22 trainees you get.

It's definitely a complicated issue, but I don't think there's much debate that you need some training. The real issue is what jlw raised, how premium does the staff need to be before the cost outweighs the benefit?

4x Unearthly is crazy, I think people do that for prestige, just to say they have the best possible. The amount you need to spend on the acquiring them alone doesn't justify it, imo.

But, the real issue is whether you want to go with a head coach who just has 1-2 unearthly skills, and no assistants? Or do you have a setup like I have with 2 head coaches whose 16's cover all the skills, switching them between head coach and junior school as needed, and 3 assistants in the 12-14 range?

The cost difference weekly is massive, if you only count one of the head coaches, I'm paying 104k per week for my staff. One incredible coach is about 23k. So that's 80k difference between the 2 setups, over 16 weeks that's 1.28m per season...

So is the extra training worth it? Hard to say if we don't know just what the difference is...is it 30% faster? 10%? At what percent does it start making sense to pay 1.28 more?

The more trainees you have, the more return you get with faster training, so that's something to consider.

One other thing to think about is that the overall level of your head coach is the cap at which the teamwork and tactical discipline levels will rise. A lot of people don't pay much attention to that but I think it affects how they play quite a bit. Whether 2-3 levels means a whole lot, I dunno, but those attributes do affect performance.

sorry about the long post, thinking out loud too much.