Onderwerp: [NT] USA NT - Discussion

The most important thing is awareness of training. In the USA there are players with wasted potential such as this one:
21yo
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace average [5] defender
adequate [6] technique superdivine [18] playmaker
very good [9] passing very good [9] striker

The pool of players is not small. I am glad that I managed to convince a few people to start a school a few seasons ago, I am sure that it will bring benefits in the future. You can complain about the quality of young players coming out of junior school, but this applies to all countries. As for training players, in my opinion there are three types. Short-term training, the aim of which is to quickly earn money from a transfer, long-term training based on the optimal distribution of skills in order to make the player useful for the game. I use the third - multi-season training in order to prepare the player for the U21 game. As a national coach I see where the pros and cons of the age group are and I try to reduce the cons with the training of players. In Iceland, I trained young players up to the age of 21, sold them at the age of 21, max 22 and now about 10 of them play in the senior Iceland squad (that's 25% of the squad!). In a community like the USA (less than 100 managers) the NT and NT U21 coach must get involved in the training of young players. I am concerned that releme does not have a single American and talks about team development. In my opinion, his plan may do more harm than good.

It won’t work. All players he is using already have high discipline so it won’t matter.

There were countries that tried this at u21 level, playing u20 in qualifiers to use 21yos in the World Cup.

I remember France even failed to qualify to WC and other teams got beaten in group stage. It’s just pointless, doesn’t impact the game.

I agree with Borkos's view. Playing with 24-26 year olds is pointless if 30 year olds are better. Players aged 24-26 have already developed actual discipline, they are trained in clubs and playing with such players only exposes them to injuries. For such a player it does not matter how many times he has already played in the national team. This only matters in real football. In sokker there is no such thing as experience in NT. Only skills and form count. This game is a set of algorithms.

Playing with 24-26 year olds is pointless if 30 year olds are better

24-26 year old players have the same skill level as 30 year old players in the USA NT. The difference at this moment is just the experience.

For me, an important point is that older players lose skills. Therefore, it is important to get good experience early, so that the player is at a good level before starting to lose skills. For me, this is how to maximize the quality of a team, managing to have both: experience and skills (before they go down because they are old).

Firstly I don't believe that 24 year olds are at the same level as 30 year olds. Secondly to maximise your skills you need to train and avoid injuries. I think that 24 year olds at NT level have training at their club at a minimum of 96% and don't need 90 minutes in a NT match to get 100%. One injury in 4 seasons will cause more losses than benefits.

I don't believe that 24 year olds are at the same level as 30 year olds
I have the skills of the USA NT players, and... yes! Furthermore,... if we ignore experience, there are two 23-year-old defenders who have the same level as the 3rd best defender in the USA NT.

I think that 24 year olds at NT level have training at their club at a minimum of 96% and don't need 90 minutes in a NT match to get 100%.

The quality of the field affects the number of injuries. National teams have the best possible field... so it's the national teams where the likelihood of injuries is lowest.

In Mikoos' database, of the TOP 11 US defenders, only one is under 25 years old.

# Name Age Rating For Value Play Goal Ass NT Skills
1
L. Todd
32 68 (76) 13 1.98 77 1 0 NT search
2
J. Pinner
26 67 (72) 15 2.15 39 1 0 NT search
3
Z. Woodman
24 67 (72) 16 1.67 30 0 0 NT search
4
G. Hale
32 67 (68) 14 1.36 6 0 0 - search
5
B. Allen
30 66 (70) 11 1.12 15 0 0 - search
6
T. Goodfellow
30 65 (69) 11 2.01 36 0 0 NT search
7
J. Victorine
26 65 (70) 15 1.63 24 0 0 NT search
8
R. Ellis
28 64 (69) 6 2.36 16 12 0 NT search
9
H. Trott
28 64 (67) 13 1.66 9 0 0 NT search
10
S. Harrison
32 64 (67) 13 1.39 17 0 0 - search
11
K. Kelly
31 64 (72) 17 1.17 0 0 0 - search

You're not considering skills. You have defenders there with Pace 15 for example.

For example, there is a 23-year-old defender with a defense of 18 and a Pace of 16... who does not appear on this list. But he only has 11 experience!

There's another 23-year-old, with Pace at 16 and defender at 17, which for me is "tied" with many on this list.

You probably stumbled into here (either by direction from above, or just happenstance) because of all the venom being spread on this particular thread in general.

It's welcome, but it doesn't really change my view.

This entire hemisphere has virtually no actual administration. I've taken the time to look. In my present view they really don't care about us at the administration level. If they did, they'd make an admin for North America.

I am concerned that releme does not have a single American and talks about team development. In my opinion, his plan may do more harm than good.

Ok, no offense to you personally, but this is nonsense. You're basically parroting Adivip's number 1 reason for continuing to stink running this team season after season.
Would you be as concerned if I, or some other competent manager ran the team? Paradiesky himself would be someone I could vote for, and he doesn't even have a youth school. Why? Because I know a good tactical manager when I see one.

Owning a player or committing your training academy to the team is no substitute for actual tactical competency.

As far as you seeing three means of training, honestly, there's just two. Sure, your third is a compromise, but that makes us end up with only 15 pace defenders and 16 pace other outfield players.

a 23-year-old defender with a defense of 18 and a Pace of 16... who does not appear on this list. But he only has 11 experience!

You cannot fix this by playing them on the NT. It is not going to be worth the risk to results. You have to understand that these match results are far more important than trying to help.

EDIT: Wait, it just occurred to me how this happens - corner tactics for years --> of which I'm guilty of as well. Maybe this guy is actually playing on is club's team now?

You've got to try and understand that literally no one agrees with this strategy here.

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As far as injuries, it's no more dumb than managers who actually PLAY their U21 guys in friendlies. Actually, this might be more stupid because the real training risks are higher.
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This player has good skills, he has the quality to play. About him, I have an event in which if the USA is winning by at least 3 goals, he enters in the 60th minute. So I'm taking precautions not to lose because of him.

Regarding the results, the objective is to be in 2nd place in a group. So, 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th... it's the same thing.

A team that is strong enough to come in 2nd place, it doesn't matter if it is in Pot 3 and plays against the team in Pot 4, or if it is in Pot 4 and plays against the team in Pot 3. If it is 2nd best ...then it will win these games.

Obviously the objective is 3rd place at the moment, as a matter of honor. 4th place would be a tragedy. But from a practical point of view, I don't think this affects the 2nd place goals, the most important being to make the USA a Pot 2 quality team.

"This player has good skills, he has the quality to play. About him, I have an event in which if the USA is winning by at least 3 goals, he enters in the 60th minute. So I'm taking precautions not to lose because of him."

Ok, that's fine.

Owning a player or committing your training academy to the team is no substitute for actual tactical competency.

I strongly agree that tactical competency should be dominating trait of NT coach.

I also strongly agree with idea of NT coach buying and training US players. Not as a substitute for tactical competency but as a necessary addition to it.

- It creates better economic dynamics for US managers that have youth school or train NT players.

- As a small nation we can’t afford to loose any of our NT prospects to club managers that will not train players at age 25-26.

- Training older players at highest skill level makes biggest difference on NT level, it is also least profitable. It shows dedication and putting interest of US national team over one’s own club.

The most important thing is awareness of training. In the USA there are players with wasted potential such as this one:
21yo
formidable [11] stamina hopeless [1] keeper
solid [8] pace average [5] defender
adequate [6] technique superdivine [18] playmaker
very good [9] passing very good [9] striker

The pool of players is not small. I am glad that I managed to convince a few people to start a school a few seasons ago, I am sure that it will bring benefits in the future. You can complain about the quality of young players coming out of junior school, but this applies to all countries. As for training players, in my opinion there are three types. Short-term training, the aim of which is to quickly earn money from a transfer, long-term training based on the optimal distribution of skills in order to make the player useful for the game. I use the third - multi-season training in order to prepare the player for the U21 game. As a national coach I see where the pros and cons of the age group are and I try to reduce the cons with the training of players. In Iceland, I trained young players up to the age of 21, sold them at the age of 21, max 22 and now about 10 of them play in the senior Iceland squad (that's 25% of the squad!). In a community like the USA (less than 100 managers) the NT and NT U21 coach must get involved in the training of young players. I am concerned that releme does not have a single American and talks about team development. In my opinion, his plan may do more harm than good.

Can you create guidelines for us that would allow everyone to understand desired distribution of skills for both u21 an NT player?
Would you be willing to share how, in your opinion, does it affect tactics and game plan.

I believe creating such guidelines will improve the economy of training domestic players. It could potentially lead to higher retention of new managers as they would see a clear path to make money of young prospects or even have better understanding of the game.

- Training older players at highest skill level makes biggest difference on NT level, it is also least profitable. It shows dedication and putting interest of US national team over one’s own club.

I guess I'm never running for the national team then, since all I am interested in, is winning every game, every time.

I believe, when looking at the big picture, this approach will actually give NT coach better odds of winning every game, every time.