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You have to go down, make money, start from low league and for seasons climb up...while your team gets older, so you have to plan properly so in best scenario your team is young enough to be in good age when you get to Ekstraklasa and at same time good enough for promotion...
I don't think they necessarilly have to do this, they just do it due to stupidity (they are unable to figure out different way out of this) or cowardness (they do not even try to fight using players they are left with) or something else (maybe laziness because the way they are choosing seems to be the easiest way) but they just do not even try to solve the situation in different way
I don't think they necessarilly have to do this, they just do it due to stupidity (they are unable to figure out different way out of this) or cowardness (they do not even try to fight using players they are left with) or something else (maybe laziness because the way they are choosing seems to be the easiest way) but they just do not even try to solve the situation in different way
lol
I don't think they necessarilly have to do this, they just do it due to stupidity
ok, so all people who were successful in Poland were stupid, you're not stupid and that's why you never reached Ekstraklasa
if you go all in and want to play for 77-80+ you have to invest 90%+ of your resources into the squad, otherwise you have a low % of chance to win because others have better teams
if you have a top team playing for national Cup and Ekstraklasa/Champions Cup you have no place to train youngsters = you don't make money
you don't make money on training and you lose money on players getting older with every season...do the math and tell me the "not stupid different way"
or cowardness (they do not even try to fight using players they are left with)
the whole point is it doesn't make sense to 'fight' because their players are 30+ and lose value, if you burn them out you are left with barely anything to start with the next cycle
so you sell when the players are 31-33 and still have some value so you have a base amount of money to start investing
it's not about cowardliness, it's about team longterm economy
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I don't think they necessarilly have to do this, they just do it due to stupidity
ok, so all people who were successful in Poland were stupid, you're not stupid and that's why you never reached Ekstraklasa
if you go all in and want to play for 77-80+ you have to invest 90%+ of your resources into the squad, otherwise you have a low % of chance to win because others have better teams
if you have a top team playing for national Cup and Ekstraklasa/Champions Cup you have no place to train youngsters = you don't make money
you don't make money on training and you lose money on players getting older with every season...do the math and tell me the "not stupid different way"
or cowardness (they do not even try to fight using players they are left with)
the whole point is it doesn't make sense to 'fight' because their players are 30+ and lose value, if you burn them out you are left with barely anything to start with the next cycle
so you sell when the players are 31-33 and still have some value so you have a base amount of money to start investing
it's not about cowardliness, it's about team longterm economy
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ok, so all people who were successful in Poland were stupid, you're not stupid and that's why you never reached Ekstraklasa
I have never said I am good manager, and I, indeed, have never reached Ekstraklasa, however I have reached top place in II liga in the middle of season (finally ending on 3rd place) and I do not even change the tactic while most of the Ektraklasa mangers probably think of themselves as master tactitians blaming always ME or bad luck for their failures. I have also a couple of other rules for my team to make the game more difficult for me and keep me in the game because without them the game would become trivial and boring - these Ekstraklasa managers probably do not have such rules.
I just like to think that I would reach Ekstraklasa then if I would not have these additional rules or have some tactics knowledge.
Also, while I was in that 2nd league, I have always made money without making transfers.
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if you go all in and want to play for 77-80+ you have to invest 90%+ of your resources into the squad, otherwise you have a low % of chance to win because others have better teams
Low % to win might still be positive number of % to win. That is part of their problem - they first need a big number before that '%' to even try.
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the whole point is it doesn't make sense to 'fight' because their players are 30+ and lose value, if you burn them out you are left with barely anything to start with
they might train other players in the meantime while they are in Ekstraklasa maybe little older than 16-17 they are buying after they decide to stop playing, they might buy cheaper players and play ~75% and use more of their alleged tactics mastery to win matches
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I have never been in Ekstraklasa, hence never been in their place, but I do not see them even trying to do something else than that aforementioned 'cycle'
and I am merely a distant observer, but from my point of view I would rather say that they do not win titles, they just buy them.
As for the earlier 'stupidity' - how else would You call strategy of playing online manager game where deliberately losing is one of the keys to win? It's not even fun because ultimately You end with boring preparations for 5 or more seasons, then You go up with your team from the bottom, crushing other teams because your squad was bought for 500 or more millions and others for 10 times less. That's how the following 5 seasons go by and ultimately You reach Ekstraklasa to play there for next 5 seasons because after that time Your players would be too old and You didn't care for preparing the team in the meantime.
Ultimately, it turns out that you play boring game for 2/3 of the time You play it. Isn't that stupidity? The strategy of getting enough money in lower league, buying top Young players, advance and then reach Ekstraklasa does not mean they are clever/smart because it's the simplest and most obvious strategy. Even Sokker beginner or an idiot would figure it out.
I prefer to stay with my stupid rules of playing and play in 2nd or 3rd or even 4th league and have fun all the time than be on the top and almost do not have fun at all.
I have never said I am good manager, and I, indeed, have never reached Ekstraklasa, however I have reached top place in II liga in the middle of season (finally ending on 3rd place) and I do not even change the tactic while most of the Ektraklasa mangers probably think of themselves as master tactitians blaming always ME or bad luck for their failures. I have also a couple of other rules for my team to make the game more difficult for me and keep me in the game because without them the game would become trivial and boring - these Ekstraklasa managers probably do not have such rules.
I just like to think that I would reach Ekstraklasa then if I would not have these additional rules or have some tactics knowledge.
Also, while I was in that 2nd league, I have always made money without making transfers.
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if you go all in and want to play for 77-80+ you have to invest 90%+ of your resources into the squad, otherwise you have a low % of chance to win because others have better teams
Low % to win might still be positive number of % to win. That is part of their problem - they first need a big number before that '%' to even try.
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the whole point is it doesn't make sense to 'fight' because their players are 30+ and lose value, if you burn them out you are left with barely anything to start with
they might train other players in the meantime while they are in Ekstraklasa maybe little older than 16-17 they are buying after they decide to stop playing, they might buy cheaper players and play ~75% and use more of their alleged tactics mastery to win matches
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I have never been in Ekstraklasa, hence never been in their place, but I do not see them even trying to do something else than that aforementioned 'cycle'
and I am merely a distant observer, but from my point of view I would rather say that they do not win titles, they just buy them.
As for the earlier 'stupidity' - how else would You call strategy of playing online manager game where deliberately losing is one of the keys to win? It's not even fun because ultimately You end with boring preparations for 5 or more seasons, then You go up with your team from the bottom, crushing other teams because your squad was bought for 500 or more millions and others for 10 times less. That's how the following 5 seasons go by and ultimately You reach Ekstraklasa to play there for next 5 seasons because after that time Your players would be too old and You didn't care for preparing the team in the meantime.
Ultimately, it turns out that you play boring game for 2/3 of the time You play it. Isn't that stupidity? The strategy of getting enough money in lower league, buying top Young players, advance and then reach Ekstraklasa does not mean they are clever/smart because it's the simplest and most obvious strategy. Even Sokker beginner or an idiot would figure it out.
I prefer to stay with my stupid rules of playing and play in 2nd or 3rd or even 4th league and have fun all the time than be on the top and almost do not have fun at all.
In France we have an example of a team winning the 1st league season after season without having to go down to rebuild his team. He perfectly renew his top players on regular basis.
But he is 100% focus on winning (no youth team, no NT formation, no additional own rules) while most of the others managers don't allocate 100% of their resources on winning.
I know, that's France, not Poland, but still....
But he is 100% focus on winning (no youth team, no NT formation, no additional own rules) while most of the others managers don't allocate 100% of their resources on winning.
I know, that's France, not Poland, but still....
I have never said I am good manager, and I, indeed, have never reached Ekstraklasa, however I have reached top place in II liga in the middle of season (finally ending on 3rd place) and I do not even change the tactic while most of the Ektraklasa mangers probably think of themselves as master tactitians blaming always ME or bad luck for their failures.
you're talking about different things
the level obviously dropped since most top players stopped playing and there are generally less players active
it's still doesn't change the fact you need a top team to win. not the best team but a top team, with substitutes, with money in the account to buy players in emergencies [injuries, cards].
I just like to think that I would reach Ekstraklasa then if I would not have these additional rules or have some tactics knowledge.
Also, while I was in that 2nd league, I have always made money without making transfers.
Well it's not about thinking but doing. One can think he would be the best president or CEO in the world while being unemployed and living with parents, doesn't matter.
Low % to win might still be positive number of % to win. That is part of their problem - they first need a big number before that '%' to even try.
come on...if your team plays for 73 and you have weak bench you can win a game or two against better opponent, but not the league , it's not how this game works... you don't have to be the strongest team (I wasn't and I won 2 successive national cups and 2 leagues from what I remember) but you have to have a certain top level to compete, otherwise it's what You do...'thinking'.
what you propose is having a weaker team and counting for luck throughout whole season, that's not how this works and hoping for luck is not a very ambitious idea.
they might train other players in the meantime while they are in Ekstraklasa maybe little older than 16-17 they are buying after they decide to stop playing, they might buy cheaper players and play ~75% and use more of their alleged tactics mastery to win matches
yes, good luck with training players while trying to win the league competing against teams that play for 75-80 and don't train
if you have two chess masters playing each other and one has 10 seconds for a move and the other 3 seconds who will win?
it's not a single player where only 1 person is good at tactics...so what if you're good at tactics if your opponent is good as well, but also has stronger team with better bench?
I have never been in Ekstraklasa, hence never been in their place, but I do not see them even trying to do something else than that aforementioned 'cycle'
and I am merely a distant observer, but from my point of view I would rather say that they do not win titles, they just buy them.
ok, so go buy yourself a title
eureka, you need money to have a strong team, you need a strong team to win
it's obious, duh
problem is having a strong team doesn't mean you win anything if you suck at using it
As for the earlier 'stupidity' - how else would You call strategy of playing online manager game where deliberately losing is one of the keys to win?
but whose fault is it? the people who do it, or the owners who created this game so it works like this?
these cycles work since the beginning of game, that's how you play this game if you want trophies
it's the only strategy that gives you results in Poland, so how can it be stupid?
t's not even fun because ultimately You end with boring preparations for 5 or more seasons, then You go up with your team from the bottom, crushing other teams because your squad was bought for 500 or more millions and others for 10 times less. That's how the following 5 seasons go by and ultimately You reach Ekstraklasa to play there for next 5 seasons because after that time Your players would be too old
5 seasons for preparing? good luck, longer than that
and again, you don't understand that it's not a single player
just having 500m (much more, I have around 500m zloty and it's not enough for a cycle) doesn't make you win because there are more teams who also have that much money and who also want to win and you compete with them
it's like saying that winning anything in football isn't impressive because the teams win just because they have good players, because they can afford them
ou didn't care for preparing the team in the meantime.
that's not something you can do. that's what you think one could do because you never did it.
Ultimately, it turns out that you play boring game for 2/3 of the time You play it. Isn't that stupidity? The strategy of getting enough money in lower league, buying top Young players, advance and then reach Ekstraklasa does not mean they are clever/smart because it's the simplest and most obvious strategy.
lol
that's what you do if you want to win
that's how the game works
for me playing for 16 years, staying in 3rd league and never achieving anything like you is stupid
for you winning trophies can be stupid
you're talking about different things
the level obviously dropped since most top players stopped playing and there are generally less players active
it's still doesn't change the fact you need a top team to win. not the best team but a top team, with substitutes, with money in the account to buy players in emergencies [injuries, cards].
I just like to think that I would reach Ekstraklasa then if I would not have these additional rules or have some tactics knowledge.
Also, while I was in that 2nd league, I have always made money without making transfers.
Well it's not about thinking but doing. One can think he would be the best president or CEO in the world while being unemployed and living with parents, doesn't matter.
Low % to win might still be positive number of % to win. That is part of their problem - they first need a big number before that '%' to even try.
come on...if your team plays for 73 and you have weak bench you can win a game or two against better opponent, but not the league , it's not how this game works... you don't have to be the strongest team (I wasn't and I won 2 successive national cups and 2 leagues from what I remember) but you have to have a certain top level to compete, otherwise it's what You do...'thinking'.
what you propose is having a weaker team and counting for luck throughout whole season, that's not how this works and hoping for luck is not a very ambitious idea.
they might train other players in the meantime while they are in Ekstraklasa maybe little older than 16-17 they are buying after they decide to stop playing, they might buy cheaper players and play ~75% and use more of their alleged tactics mastery to win matches
yes, good luck with training players while trying to win the league competing against teams that play for 75-80 and don't train
if you have two chess masters playing each other and one has 10 seconds for a move and the other 3 seconds who will win?
it's not a single player where only 1 person is good at tactics...so what if you're good at tactics if your opponent is good as well, but also has stronger team with better bench?
I have never been in Ekstraklasa, hence never been in their place, but I do not see them even trying to do something else than that aforementioned 'cycle'
and I am merely a distant observer, but from my point of view I would rather say that they do not win titles, they just buy them.
ok, so go buy yourself a title
eureka, you need money to have a strong team, you need a strong team to win
it's obious, duh
problem is having a strong team doesn't mean you win anything if you suck at using it
As for the earlier 'stupidity' - how else would You call strategy of playing online manager game where deliberately losing is one of the keys to win?
but whose fault is it? the people who do it, or the owners who created this game so it works like this?
these cycles work since the beginning of game, that's how you play this game if you want trophies
it's the only strategy that gives you results in Poland, so how can it be stupid?
t's not even fun because ultimately You end with boring preparations for 5 or more seasons, then You go up with your team from the bottom, crushing other teams because your squad was bought for 500 or more millions and others for 10 times less. That's how the following 5 seasons go by and ultimately You reach Ekstraklasa to play there for next 5 seasons because after that time Your players would be too old
5 seasons for preparing? good luck, longer than that
and again, you don't understand that it's not a single player
just having 500m (much more, I have around 500m zloty and it's not enough for a cycle) doesn't make you win because there are more teams who also have that much money and who also want to win and you compete with them
it's like saying that winning anything in football isn't impressive because the teams win just because they have good players, because they can afford them
ou didn't care for preparing the team in the meantime.
that's not something you can do. that's what you think one could do because you never did it.
Ultimately, it turns out that you play boring game for 2/3 of the time You play it. Isn't that stupidity? The strategy of getting enough money in lower league, buying top Young players, advance and then reach Ekstraklasa does not mean they are clever/smart because it's the simplest and most obvious strategy.
lol
that's what you do if you want to win
that's how the game works
for me playing for 16 years, staying in 3rd league and never achieving anything like you is stupid
for you winning trophies can be stupid
In France we have an example of a team winning the 1st league season after season without having to go down to rebuild his team. He perfectly renew his top players on regular basis.
This is Polish 3rd league:
79.8 Furya
75.8 WislaKrakow
71.7 huana team
70.4 CO2 Chemical Oranges 2007
69.6 Ogóry
68.8 Bene Tleilax
68.3 Latający Cyrk Nieznajomego
67.8 Chelsea Londyn Iskrzynia
64.6 Fada Maka Stars
64.0 Mazovia
61.8 Pachnące Skunksy
58.9 Torpedo Dąbrowa Górnicza
This is French 1st league:
76.9 Sc Gravona
76.2 DrogbaTeam
73.7 FC Merluchon
71.4 Nara Team United
70.5 Griffon fc
69.7 Fc Issy
69.0 FC DOM EN FORCE
67.6 Team tourist
67.0 AS Morlaisienne
65.5 Les Etalons
64.9 ★ Peaky Blinders ★
64.0 FC Peyrat
At 3rd Polish league you can still easily make money, improve the team by training etc.
Staying at such level while rebuilding the team is relatively easy especially with older players.
When you play such teams in league, not so much:
83.0 The Naturals
77.8 vordamm
77.5 Japanese Futbol
77.2 FC Chełmek
77.0 Paginator Armada
76.5 KS Polonia Skierniewice
75.1 Tur Turek
This is Polish 3rd league:
79.8 Furya
75.8 WislaKrakow
71.7 huana team
70.4 CO2 Chemical Oranges 2007
69.6 Ogóry
68.8 Bene Tleilax
68.3 Latający Cyrk Nieznajomego
67.8 Chelsea Londyn Iskrzynia
64.6 Fada Maka Stars
64.0 Mazovia
61.8 Pachnące Skunksy
58.9 Torpedo Dąbrowa Górnicza
This is French 1st league:
76.9 Sc Gravona
76.2 DrogbaTeam
73.7 FC Merluchon
71.4 Nara Team United
70.5 Griffon fc
69.7 Fc Issy
69.0 FC DOM EN FORCE
67.6 Team tourist
67.0 AS Morlaisienne
65.5 Les Etalons
64.9 ★ Peaky Blinders ★
64.0 FC Peyrat
At 3rd Polish league you can still easily make money, improve the team by training etc.
Staying at such level while rebuilding the team is relatively easy especially with older players.
When you play such teams in league, not so much:
83.0 The Naturals
77.8 vordamm
77.5 Japanese Futbol
77.2 FC Chełmek
77.0 Paginator Armada
76.5 KS Polonia Skierniewice
75.1 Tur Turek
That's a matter of keeping the same average rating.
So if in France he can keep a rating close to 80 constantly without having to go down to rebuild that should be possible in Poland too.
I don't say he would win the Ekstraklasa each year but he would compete for it season after season....
So if in France he can keep a rating close to 80 constantly without having to go down to rebuild that should be possible in Poland too.
I don't say he would win the Ekstraklasa each year but he would compete for it season after season....
Staying at such level while rebuilding the team is relatively easy especially with older players.
None of the Polish 2nd leagues is stronger than French league. So you can stay there just as well and you invalidate your entire argument about "must drop to 5th league"..
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None of the Polish 2nd leagues is stronger than French league. So you can stay there just as well and you invalidate your entire argument about "must drop to 5th league"..
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That's a matter of keeping the same average rating.
So if in France he can keep a rating close to 80 constantly without having to go down to rebuild that should be possible in Poland too.
I'm not sure, I don't know his team, I don't know how he makes money, I don't know how French league looks like season by season. For sure you can't sustain the level just by sponsor and ticket income.
I know how Polish league looks and always looked.
That's how Ekstraklasa looked in old system when I was winning it:
81.1 Browary Łomża
78.7 KS Wisła Puławy
77.5 Marko Team
77.4 coldfear
77.2 The Evil`s
75.7 Lokomotiv Ostrów Wielkopolski
75.4 Orły Rafała P.
75.2 FC Krikos
There were season when Ekstraklasa had an average note of 76-78. Not top 2-3 teams, average of all teams.
If you wanted to win, you had to use all resources. That's it.
So if in France he can keep a rating close to 80 constantly without having to go down to rebuild that should be possible in Poland too.
I'm not sure, I don't know his team, I don't know how he makes money, I don't know how French league looks like season by season. For sure you can't sustain the level just by sponsor and ticket income.
I know how Polish league looks and always looked.
That's how Ekstraklasa looked in old system when I was winning it:
81.1 Browary Łomża
78.7 KS Wisła Puławy
77.5 Marko Team
77.4 coldfear
77.2 The Evil`s
75.7 Lokomotiv Ostrów Wielkopolski
75.4 Orły Rafała P.
75.2 FC Krikos
There were season when Ekstraklasa had an average note of 76-78. Not top 2-3 teams, average of all teams.
If you wanted to win, you had to use all resources. That's it.
So you can stay there just as well and you invalidate your entire argument about "must drop to 5th league"..
It did change with making the leagues bigger, it's true. Plus there are much less active and ambitious users today, lots of people stopped playing or just stay down because they are bored.
Now, the problem is - why stay in 2nd or 3rd league? What's the point of playing there?
I could stay in 3rd league if I wanted to, but I decided to go to 4th. Why? Because I will make same/more money and I won't have to do anything, just set the lineup. And it will be much easier to train youngsters.
Last game I used a 17yo goalkeeper, 18yo weak midfielder from youth school and 19yo striker. Still won.
So why bother playing higher when it's easier AND more profitable staying lower?
if you can train, make money, keep the team at similar level AND fight for trophies in 1st league - great, why not. But in 2nd or 3rd league? Who cares about it.
None of the Polish 2nd leagues is stronger than French league.
Well that's just not true :D
Before I shown you Polish 3rd league which is similar to 1st French.
anyway...
French 1st, average 69.8
75.8 Sc Gravona
75.5 DrogbaTeam
73.8 FC Merluchon
71.7 Nara Team United
70.8 Griffon fc
70.4 Fc Issy
68.2 FC DOM EN FORCE
68.1 AS Morlaisienne
67.4 Team tourist
66.2 Les Etalons
II.02 Polish, average 70.3
78.1 Farbowane Lisy
75.3 Domik Tuchola
73.6 Dąbrowa Górnicza
73.0 Juventus Dąbrowa Górnicza
StarStarachowice
71.5 WHITE TIGERS CF
70.0 White power
67.8 ZKS Stal Gorzyce
67.1 Słupsk United
67.0 PAŹDZIOCHY
64.0 Psy
II.03 Polish, 69.4 [because one team sold out]
76.6 MOSP Białystok
72.7 FC Batalion Lublin
72.2 FC Toboł Kostanaj
70.9 KKS Prosna Kalisz
69.6 Barkowo United
69.4 Tsubasa Squad
68.9 FC Zacier
68.5 Widzew Astra
67.3 Wiara LechaII
67.0 Skorpion Gdańsk
59.5 Wilki Morskie
Strongest teams this season Poland:
83.1 The Naturals Ekstraklasa
80.0 Furya Liga III.04
78.1 Farbowane Lisy Liga II.02
78.1 KS Wisła Puławy Liga II.01
77.8 vordamm Ekstraklasa
77.7 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa
77.4 KS Polonia Skierniewice Ekstraklasa
77.0 Paginator Armada Ekstraklasa
76.6 MOSP Białystok Liga II.03
76.0 WislaKrakow Liga III.04
75.7 Filippo Sqad Ekstraklasa
75.3 Domik Tuchola Liga II.02
75.2 FC Chełmek Ekstraklasa
74.9 Orły Rafała P. Liga IV.14
74.6 Silent Sokker Team Liga III.03
74.3 Tur Turek Ekstraklasa
73.6 Dąbrowa Górnicza Liga II.02
73.5 TKS Modrzew Gródki Liga II.01
73.3 Aigel Liga III.09
73.0 Kajoza Liga II.01
73.0 Juventus Dąbrowa Górnicza Liga II.02
73.0 StarStarachowice Liga II.02
72.7 FC Batalion Lublin Liga II.03
72.2 The Shedenders Liga II.01
72.2 KKS Whitechapel Liga III.08
72.2 FC Glovas Liga III.07
72.2 FC Toboł Kostanaj Liga II.03
72.0 Wściekłe Pięści Węża Liga III.09
72.0 baroni Liga III.05
71.9 Dudkensy Liga III.05
71.7 Leśne Buchaje Ekstraklasa
71.6 FC Krościenko Wyżne Liga III.08
71.5 `Piast Gliwice` Liga III.05
71.5 WHITE TIGERS CF Liga II.02
71.3 LKS Stara Wieś Liga III.02
71.3 Patataj Liga IV.04
71.2 Ano Crew Liga IV.25
70.9 KKS Prosna Kalisz Liga II.03
70.7 Illuminati Team Ekstraklasa
70.7 Fc Real Wrocław Liga III.09
70.6 Victoria B Liga III.01
70.3 AroTeam Liga III.09
70.2 FC ABRAMOWICE Liga II.01
70.1 Kiepski Team Liga III.03
70.1 CO2 Chemical Oranges 2007 Liga III.04
70.0 Ogóry Liga III.04
70.0 Cyga Unia Oświęcim Liga III.09
70.0 White power Liga II.02
70+ = 48 teams in Poland
76.9 Sc Gravona Ligue 1
76.2 DrogbaTeam Ligue 1
73.7 FC Merluchon Ligue 1
71.4 Nara Team United Ligue 1
71.0 FC Falova Ligue 2.01
70.5 Griffon fc Ligue 1
70.2 Squadra Amaron Ligue 2.02
70+ = 7 teams in France
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It did change with making the leagues bigger, it's true. Plus there are much less active and ambitious users today, lots of people stopped playing or just stay down because they are bored.
Now, the problem is - why stay in 2nd or 3rd league? What's the point of playing there?
I could stay in 3rd league if I wanted to, but I decided to go to 4th. Why? Because I will make same/more money and I won't have to do anything, just set the lineup. And it will be much easier to train youngsters.
Last game I used a 17yo goalkeeper, 18yo weak midfielder from youth school and 19yo striker. Still won.
So why bother playing higher when it's easier AND more profitable staying lower?
if you can train, make money, keep the team at similar level AND fight for trophies in 1st league - great, why not. But in 2nd or 3rd league? Who cares about it.
None of the Polish 2nd leagues is stronger than French league.
Well that's just not true :D
Before I shown you Polish 3rd league which is similar to 1st French.
anyway...
French 1st, average 69.8
75.8 Sc Gravona
75.5 DrogbaTeam
73.8 FC Merluchon
71.7 Nara Team United
70.8 Griffon fc
70.4 Fc Issy
68.2 FC DOM EN FORCE
68.1 AS Morlaisienne
67.4 Team tourist
66.2 Les Etalons
II.02 Polish, average 70.3
78.1 Farbowane Lisy
75.3 Domik Tuchola
73.6 Dąbrowa Górnicza
73.0 Juventus Dąbrowa Górnicza
StarStarachowice
71.5 WHITE TIGERS CF
70.0 White power
67.8 ZKS Stal Gorzyce
67.1 Słupsk United
67.0 PAŹDZIOCHY
64.0 Psy
II.03 Polish, 69.4 [because one team sold out]
76.6 MOSP Białystok
72.7 FC Batalion Lublin
72.2 FC Toboł Kostanaj
70.9 KKS Prosna Kalisz
69.6 Barkowo United
69.4 Tsubasa Squad
68.9 FC Zacier
68.5 Widzew Astra
67.3 Wiara LechaII
67.0 Skorpion Gdańsk
59.5 Wilki Morskie
Strongest teams this season Poland:
83.1 The Naturals Ekstraklasa
80.0 Furya Liga III.04
78.1 Farbowane Lisy Liga II.02
78.1 KS Wisła Puławy Liga II.01
77.8 vordamm Ekstraklasa
77.7 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa
77.4 KS Polonia Skierniewice Ekstraklasa
77.0 Paginator Armada Ekstraklasa
76.6 MOSP Białystok Liga II.03
76.0 WislaKrakow Liga III.04
75.7 Filippo Sqad Ekstraklasa
75.3 Domik Tuchola Liga II.02
75.2 FC Chełmek Ekstraklasa
74.9 Orły Rafała P. Liga IV.14
74.6 Silent Sokker Team Liga III.03
74.3 Tur Turek Ekstraklasa
73.6 Dąbrowa Górnicza Liga II.02
73.5 TKS Modrzew Gródki Liga II.01
73.3 Aigel Liga III.09
73.0 Kajoza Liga II.01
73.0 Juventus Dąbrowa Górnicza Liga II.02
73.0 StarStarachowice Liga II.02
72.7 FC Batalion Lublin Liga II.03
72.2 The Shedenders Liga II.01
72.2 KKS Whitechapel Liga III.08
72.2 FC Glovas Liga III.07
72.2 FC Toboł Kostanaj Liga II.03
72.0 Wściekłe Pięści Węża Liga III.09
72.0 baroni Liga III.05
71.9 Dudkensy Liga III.05
71.7 Leśne Buchaje Ekstraklasa
71.6 FC Krościenko Wyżne Liga III.08
71.5 `Piast Gliwice` Liga III.05
71.5 WHITE TIGERS CF Liga II.02
71.3 LKS Stara Wieś Liga III.02
71.3 Patataj Liga IV.04
71.2 Ano Crew Liga IV.25
70.9 KKS Prosna Kalisz Liga II.03
70.7 Illuminati Team Ekstraklasa
70.7 Fc Real Wrocław Liga III.09
70.6 Victoria B Liga III.01
70.3 AroTeam Liga III.09
70.2 FC ABRAMOWICE Liga II.01
70.1 Kiepski Team Liga III.03
70.1 CO2 Chemical Oranges 2007 Liga III.04
70.0 Ogóry Liga III.04
70.0 Cyga Unia Oświęcim Liga III.09
70.0 White power Liga II.02
70+ = 48 teams in Poland
76.9 Sc Gravona Ligue 1
76.2 DrogbaTeam Ligue 1
73.7 FC Merluchon Ligue 1
71.4 Nara Team United Ligue 1
71.0 FC Falova Ligue 2.01
70.5 Griffon fc Ligue 1
70.2 Squadra Amaron Ligue 2.02
70+ = 7 teams in France
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And you have 2.01 where you can do nothing and stay up there which you kinda "forgot" to mention. None of them are stronger, 2 of them are just as strong.
78.1 KS Wisła Puławy
73.5 TKS Modrzew Gródki
73.0 Kajoza
72.2 The Shedenders
70.2 FC ABRAMOWICE
68.2 ASRIM Iskrzynia
67.4 Alexandria SC
67.2 Paka Jabłoniaka
64.4 As team
24.4 Lokomotiv Mińsk Maz.
17.9 Bergman Hindenburg
78.1 KS Wisła Puławy
73.5 TKS Modrzew Gródki
73.0 Kajoza
72.2 The Shedenders
70.2 FC ABRAMOWICE
68.2 ASRIM Iskrzynia
67.4 Alexandria SC
67.2 Paka Jabłoniaka
64.4 As team
24.4 Lokomotiv Mińsk Maz.
17.9 Bergman Hindenburg
Lol, do you see the two teams in the bottom that sold out? :) The rest is not worse than 1st French, the #1 team is better...
Anyway as I said...today, after changes, after people losing interest, you can stay in 2nd or 3rd league PL and keep team + train, make money
but why do that if you can do it easily and faster in lower leagues? What's the point in playing in 2nd league just to be there?
what's the point in being beaten by teams playing for 75-81 who are going to Ekstraklasa?
Anyway as I said...today, after changes, after people losing interest, you can stay in 2nd or 3rd league PL and keep team + train, make money
but why do that if you can do it easily and faster in lower leagues? What's the point in playing in 2nd league just to be there?
what's the point in being beaten by teams playing for 75-81 who are going to Ekstraklasa?
The argument is that DrogbaTeam (which I assume Damien2a is talking about) could do the same in Poland (he goes deep in CC almost every season for years as well). So it should be possible to stay in top leagues in Poland and compete almost every season. Just that farming in the bottom is way easier for 99% of people.
As I've said, I don't know his team and how he manages finances. I don't know if he is trading etc. I don't know French league.
Yes, in Poland he could do that. But at what level? Ekstraklasa, for many many seasons - I don't think so.
Although there were people who stayed for very long in Ekstraklasa, but they weren't winning, just playing there and that's part of the problem.
You can keep around 74 for seasons, but what good is that if every season you have many opponents playing for 78-82, with better bench and money for injury/card substitutions? Only the team names change. That's the problem if you want to win anything, not just stay there and watch as others win. That's why people go down, gather resources and come back.
Do you have teams like that coming up every season, playing for 78-80? You don't so it's not really comparable and you can't really say that with his model he could compete almost every season. That's a very big guess.
Just that farming in the bottom is way easier for 99% of people.
it's also f... boring, so why do you think people do it?
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Yes, in Poland he could do that. But at what level? Ekstraklasa, for many many seasons - I don't think so.
Although there were people who stayed for very long in Ekstraklasa, but they weren't winning, just playing there and that's part of the problem.
You can keep around 74 for seasons, but what good is that if every season you have many opponents playing for 78-82, with better bench and money for injury/card substitutions? Only the team names change. That's the problem if you want to win anything, not just stay there and watch as others win. That's why people go down, gather resources and come back.
Do you have teams like that coming up every season, playing for 78-80? You don't so it's not really comparable and you can't really say that with his model he could compete almost every season. That's a very big guess.
Just that farming in the bottom is way easier for 99% of people.
it's also f... boring, so why do you think people do it?
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Well it's not about thinking but doing.
as someone who knows nothing about tactics I might 'think' but if you/they are ones who think about themselves as tactics experts it should be possible to 'do'
however, I might be mistaken here and all these managers who thinks they know a lot about sokker tactics only 'think' that but the fact might be that they know shit
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what you propose is having a weaker team and counting for luck throughout whole season, that's not how this works and hoping for luck is not a very ambitious idea.
That's Your opinion, I think that trying to win using weaker team is far more ambitious than trying to win using team which costed 1 billion?
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but whose fault is it? the people who do it, or the owners who created this game so it works like this?
Well, obviously game owners are mostly to blame, but also users, to lesser extent. I think Raul is trying to limit that way of playing. At least, the changes suggests that.
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it's the only strategy that gives you results in Poland, so how can it be stupid?
is it really the only strategy that gives results? did anyone of these so-called 'top managers' try anything else?
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it's like saying that winning anything in football isn't impressive because the teams win just because they have good players, because they can afford them
does PSG impress You by winning Ligue 1?
shouldn't these top managers win Ekstraklasa with a team of rating 75? it's them who are are top managers, after all, or aren't they?
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for me playing for 16 years, staying in 3rd league and never achieving anything like you is stupid
for you winning trophies can be stupid
You apparently didn't understand me if You came to such conclusion. I have never said that winning trophies is stupid, nor I said anything pointing I think that. Winning is key of this game or probably any game, I just prefer to achieve it on my terms not the way which I think is stupid, non-ambitious and boring.
I might not win nothing but at least I have fun all the time. Isn't that the point of the game? People might have different approach to the game, I respect that, let them play as they want, but I still think that playing a game where most of the time You are bored is what I called 'stupid'.
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What's the point in playing in 2nd league just to be there?
when Polish team for 1 billion decide to go up from the bottom they are also 'just there' (in 2nd league), they are passer-bies
as someone who knows nothing about tactics I might 'think' but if you/they are ones who think about themselves as tactics experts it should be possible to 'do'
however, I might be mistaken here and all these managers who thinks they know a lot about sokker tactics only 'think' that but the fact might be that they know shit
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what you propose is having a weaker team and counting for luck throughout whole season, that's not how this works and hoping for luck is not a very ambitious idea.
That's Your opinion, I think that trying to win using weaker team is far more ambitious than trying to win using team which costed 1 billion?
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but whose fault is it? the people who do it, or the owners who created this game so it works like this?
Well, obviously game owners are mostly to blame, but also users, to lesser extent. I think Raul is trying to limit that way of playing. At least, the changes suggests that.
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it's the only strategy that gives you results in Poland, so how can it be stupid?
is it really the only strategy that gives results? did anyone of these so-called 'top managers' try anything else?
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it's like saying that winning anything in football isn't impressive because the teams win just because they have good players, because they can afford them
does PSG impress You by winning Ligue 1?
shouldn't these top managers win Ekstraklasa with a team of rating 75? it's them who are are top managers, after all, or aren't they?
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for me playing for 16 years, staying in 3rd league and never achieving anything like you is stupid
for you winning trophies can be stupid
You apparently didn't understand me if You came to such conclusion. I have never said that winning trophies is stupid, nor I said anything pointing I think that. Winning is key of this game or probably any game, I just prefer to achieve it on my terms not the way which I think is stupid, non-ambitious and boring.
I might not win nothing but at least I have fun all the time. Isn't that the point of the game? People might have different approach to the game, I respect that, let them play as they want, but I still think that playing a game where most of the time You are bored is what I called 'stupid'.
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What's the point in playing in 2nd league just to be there?
when Polish team for 1 billion decide to go up from the bottom they are also 'just there' (in 2nd league), they are passer-bies
