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Onderwerp: Lower salaries for home grown players
I have set more than once an alarm clock in the middle of the night to buy a player or a trainer... shouldn't be a problem.
It all depends how serious you (can) take the game...
If there's work to be done irl or you have kids...do chores or whatever...you can chill most of the time between 19 till 23 PM. So that means in America...it's at working hours.
You can do that once in a few times...but to be competitive, you have to take the game more serious than real life and that is a bridge too far imo
If there's work to be done irl or you have kids...do chores or whatever...you can chill most of the time between 19 till 23 PM. So that means in America...it's at working hours.
You can do that once in a few times...but to be competitive, you have to take the game more serious than real life and that is a bridge too far imo
replying to your 10:44am message:
1) Yes, I have purchased a lot of players because I was actually doing trial and error with the only trainees I could afford with my pathetic B league budget. Once I established a trainee was untalented, I sold and tried again. I didn't have the luxury of spending money. I also had been 'out of the game' for a decade, so although I certainly understood the game more than the typical new player, there were still nuances that I was initially oblivious about. Things I learned over the past six months.
2) The best way to really make money, from what I can tell, is just train 8-10 young kids to flip and sell. You take a guy with a good subskill, train all sorts of random shit for 6-10 weeks, give them all their cheap pops in prime skills ,then flip them to some sucker who doesn't understand what subskills are. Meanwhile, you buy a bunch of old guys to play your games and you tread water in division 3,4 or 5, (in larger countries) for years in real time. You don't really have a training program to develop your team, just develop your bankroll.
That's not for me.
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Right now I have a core group of 7 guys who are between 21 and 23 now (mostly, 21). Most of what I have been training is pace which is not a great recipe for profit margin due to how long it takes. However you need pace to compete in this game. This core group of players will start to come into their own in about two more seasons. Then, for several seasons after, I'll have a LOT more freedom to advance train 6-8 guys for flipping - because I won't need to rebuild an entire team at once. Even when the time comes to replace my first generation of players in 10 seasons, I'll have the freedom to do it one or two at a time, over several seasons, instead of all at once like starting out.
None of this really changes the fact that youth school bonuses would be yet another disadvantage new teams like mine have to endure. We're already down to barely 7000 players left, I'm not sure we need any legislation that will make starting new even less fun than it is now.
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1) Yes, I have purchased a lot of players because I was actually doing trial and error with the only trainees I could afford with my pathetic B league budget. Once I established a trainee was untalented, I sold and tried again. I didn't have the luxury of spending money. I also had been 'out of the game' for a decade, so although I certainly understood the game more than the typical new player, there were still nuances that I was initially oblivious about. Things I learned over the past six months.
2) The best way to really make money, from what I can tell, is just train 8-10 young kids to flip and sell. You take a guy with a good subskill, train all sorts of random shit for 6-10 weeks, give them all their cheap pops in prime skills ,then flip them to some sucker who doesn't understand what subskills are. Meanwhile, you buy a bunch of old guys to play your games and you tread water in division 3,4 or 5, (in larger countries) for years in real time. You don't really have a training program to develop your team, just develop your bankroll.
That's not for me.
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Right now I have a core group of 7 guys who are between 21 and 23 now (mostly, 21). Most of what I have been training is pace which is not a great recipe for profit margin due to how long it takes. However you need pace to compete in this game. This core group of players will start to come into their own in about two more seasons. Then, for several seasons after, I'll have a LOT more freedom to advance train 6-8 guys for flipping - because I won't need to rebuild an entire team at once. Even when the time comes to replace my first generation of players in 10 seasons, I'll have the freedom to do it one or two at a time, over several seasons, instead of all at once like starting out.
None of this really changes the fact that youth school bonuses would be yet another disadvantage new teams like mine have to endure. We're already down to barely 7000 players left, I'm not sure we need any legislation that will make starting new even less fun than it is now.
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I have no influence over juniors I get because everything around youth schools is complete random. So in the current state I do not see a reason to further benefit those who were lucky with their pulls
Luck is a big part of the Academy, but there are a lot of people who do not know what to keep and what to exclude from the Academy and end up keeping the non talented, the ones with a low potential, the old, the ones who get promoted to the main team in the 12th week of the season etc.
There are some who just keep everything, ending up with high costs, making the Academy non profitable.
Knowing what to sell and what to keep and train for yourself is also a "science", a lot of people get greedy and sell young players for a small fortune but than get frustrated when the same young player is resold, 2..3..4.. seasons later for 10... 14... times the amount they initially got for him.
I'm not Gandalf, I'm not a wizard and I don't know everything, I'm just saying that sokker is a complicated game and it needs a lot of time and effort! ... maybe this is why a lot of people trade a lot, because it's "the easy way out"!
There are some who just keep everything, ending up with high costs, making the Academy non profitable.
Knowing what to sell and what to keep and train for yourself is also a "science", a lot of people get greedy and sell young players for a small fortune but than get frustrated when the same young player is resold, 2..3..4.. seasons later for 10... 14... times the amount they initially got for him.
I'm not Gandalf, I'm not a wizard and I don't know everything, I'm just saying that sokker is a complicated game and it needs a lot of time and effort! ... maybe this is why a lot of people trade a lot, because it's "the easy way out"!
I'm just saying that sokker is a complicated game and it needs a lot of time and effort! ... maybe this is why a lot of people trade a lot, because it's "the easy way out"!
That's a weird theory, trading requires A LOT of time and knowledge to do properly, so it's VERY far from "easy way out"
It's much more complicated and demanding than youth school, which is the easiest part of the game except for costs
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That's a weird theory, trading requires A LOT of time and knowledge to do properly, so it's VERY far from "easy way out"
It's much more complicated and demanding than youth school, which is the easiest part of the game except for costs
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Right now I have a core group of 7 guys who are between 21 and 23 now (mostly, 21).
I understand that, in general you were repeating what you already wrote, but you don't understand my message.
You are wasting time on training such players, you're not going to make even close to decent profit while training them and your team won't improve properly.
If you want to connect training with some results then do what I do, have 10 youngsters for training and make results with players aged 34+ bought for scraps. It's particularly easy since your league is at low level.
You don't need to flip players. I'm usually NOT flipping because it's not fun and takes too much time. I train some 23-yo players who I bough in March-June 2022. You can make a very nice profit on such training but you need to train proper players who will reach a decent price... since you obviously can't afford to pay 1-5m euro on a trainee, you should look for 2nd level 16-17yos and train them for 1-4 seasons.
I understand that, in general you were repeating what you already wrote, but you don't understand my message.
You are wasting time on training such players, you're not going to make even close to decent profit while training them and your team won't improve properly.
If you want to connect training with some results then do what I do, have 10 youngsters for training and make results with players aged 34+ bought for scraps. It's particularly easy since your league is at low level.
You don't need to flip players. I'm usually NOT flipping because it's not fun and takes too much time. I train some 23-yo players who I bough in March-June 2022. You can make a very nice profit on such training but you need to train proper players who will reach a decent price... since you obviously can't afford to pay 1-5m euro on a trainee, you should look for 2nd level 16-17yos and train them for 1-4 seasons.
He mainly should do what he wants to do. It's the only way to get pleasure out of the game.
All the rest is irrelevant.
All the rest is irrelevant.
Well that's both true and false, I don't think that giving people advice on how they could improve their experience is a bad idea - some might take it, some might ignore it and keep doing what they want
People often get discouraged after some time when their team doesn't improve/improves slowly/is very far from being competitive so their way of playing actually deters them from getting pleasure from the game
People often get discouraged after some time when their team doesn't improve/improves slowly/is very far from being competitive so their way of playing actually deters them from getting pleasure from the game
I don't think that's the case with Island...but of course, when there are issues, they cannot handle themselves, they themselves must be open for advice.
And then again...it is a part of doing what they want. If they want to get help, then that part will bring joy if other reply to that.
And then again...it is a part of doing what they want. If they want to get help, then that part will bring joy if other reply to that.
hmmm do you mean only 16-17? i bought some players older than 17 and have been training them for 1+ seasons. Hope to turn them into decent players but also 1-2 into profit
I'd say the wage system is there to reward having younger players on the team. It's already working. And in actual clubs club trainees don't command lower wages than the players transferred in, it's the opposite. The experience of different club regimes is a nurturing factor for the players, while the clubs prefer trainees.
In sokker, there's no control over the composition of your academy drafting and the development directions - even the senior team can only train a whole formation at once. It follows that all the tactical adjustments have to come at the level of the senior team, and the method is - trading with other teams.
For me, the main purpose of the academy is to be able to use some club funds to run a youth team to play another fun sokker game each week. And on top of that, when it gets to you keeping the players, you get to know their growth parameters unlike in the market. You don't have to stave off bids from other teams interested in the player. These are already huge incentives, these are what you pay your academy fees for.
In sokker, there's no control over the composition of your academy drafting and the development directions - even the senior team can only train a whole formation at once. It follows that all the tactical adjustments have to come at the level of the senior team, and the method is - trading with other teams.
For me, the main purpose of the academy is to be able to use some club funds to run a youth team to play another fun sokker game each week. And on top of that, when it gets to you keeping the players, you get to know their growth parameters unlike in the market. You don't have to stave off bids from other teams interested in the player. These are already huge incentives, these are what you pay your academy fees for.
Well it all depends on the budget, if you can pay 2.5m+ for 18yo trainee then it's fine, but if you have a very limited budget then you should definitely try buying 16-17yo players... as for older than 18, in my opinion it doesn't make much sense unless you find a real bargain
I don't really have the time&energy to stay on the market and change youths often (I currently have 3 own youths and 3 gks among trainees)
But look what profit you can make on a 17yo in 2 months: https://sokker.org/transfers_player/ID_human/38919427
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I don't really have the time&energy to stay on the market and change youths often (I currently have 3 own youths and 3 gks among trainees)
But look what profit you can make on a 17yo in 2 months: https://sokker.org/transfers_player/ID_human/38919427
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This is exactly what I was talking about... the club of origin is happy with a small amount not being able to recognize the player's potential and talent, and of course the huge profit they could make by traning the player themselves!
Omur, the idea was NOT that ALL young players should have lower salaries but that HOME GROWN (players recruited from a club's own academy) should have lower salaries!
It was like this in hattrick (when I used to play hattrick) and it was also so that every time a player would get transferred his salary would grow, no matter his age! This way "day trading " got slowed down a bit, because some players became simply unattractive anymore because of their extremely high salaries. Players could also be converted into trainers (also a great idea).
Ciao!
It was like this in hattrick (when I used to play hattrick) and it was also so that every time a player would get transferred his salary would grow, no matter his age! This way "day trading " got slowed down a bit, because some players became simply unattractive anymore because of their extremely high salaries. Players could also be converted into trainers (also a great idea).
Ciao!